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Re: [Hyperledger Identity WG] [Hyperledger TSC] How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@...>
 

I read through this thread.

At the very beginning it is about the TGC.

If you want women (and minorities) to run for positions in organizations like this you can’t just be “open” to them running you need to ask and invite and encourage them to run for positions like this.

I’m not on all the lists - this thread has happened on.

I don’t know that Womens only groups are ghettoizing. At a certain size organization they help women connect to each other - give mutual support and the type of encouragement and connection that is helpful when dealing with the default environment in tech that is inherently “hostile” (despite everyone’s well meaningless) 

I ran a Womens only tech conference for 10 years that lots of Women “who don’t do Womens only things” came to and loved so I have some experience of doing them well.

If hyper ledger wants to improve diversity it could consider training and education about how men can be more self aware to reduce the stuff that is so culturally normal but ultimately alienating. 

Just some thoughts. 

- Kaliya 



On Aug 23, 2018, at 7:07 AM, Vipin Bharathan <vipinsun@...> wrote:

Hi all,

On the Identity WG we promoted the diversity message at yesterday's call. There is already a strong contribution from women in the working group and on the paper, however more contributions and attendance on the calls are welcome. We also made the point about all dimensions of diversity during the call. 

You will have my personal support on the Identity working group, Architecture Working Group as well as PSWG (groups I am involved with). I agree with Marta's message that having women only groups may introduce a ghetto mentality; this was my experience in several writers groups in New York city. I refused to join the "Asian Writers Corner" back in the 90s. What we need is support from Hyperledger and the speakers bureau and inclusiveness in panels, speakers fora and other venues for all dimensions of diversity.  Of course this is difficult when the decision makers are concentrated in one segment. 

Often the debate can turn ugly like it did in Google and other venues when this matter came up- false judgement of competence and a sense of being unfairly wronged and discriminated against by the dominant group may resonate far and wide like it did in our own political process in the US and elsewhere. Of course I do not agree with those sentiments, but they exist. 

We only hear assenting voices in the emails, there is the silent majority to contend with. To be successful, any measure that we take has to be aware of those key but yet unvoiced complaints as well and address those head on. No one admits to being a racist or a sexist or an ageist and it may be very difficult to see in oneself since self-knowledge is the most difficult kind of knowledge. 

This is not going to be an easy issue to redress, tech in general suffers from this syndrome; most societies and groups are built on the basis of discriminatory culture. This is not to say that we need not address these issues; but acknowledge that it may take more than lip service and a few initiatives; nonetheless we must persevere with action for real change!

Best,
Vipin
  

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:10 AM brad rotter <brotter@...> wrote:

Marta

That was a superb point.

Just wanted to note that i am returning from speaking at a two blockchain conferences last week in Toronto.  

I observed a great number of woman at both events. Indeed, both conferences were produced by an amazing woman named Tracey Leparulo who runs Untraceable and has been involved in crypto since the early days of Ethereum.

Bradley Rotter





On Aug 23, 2018, at 05:59, Marta Piekarska <mpiekarska@...> wrote:

Dear Dan
These are great ideas, thank you! One word of caution: doing women only groups, events and so on, tends to isolate women more than actually help. We are not a different spices and we don’t need special treatment;) the way we do not creat men only groups for male support, women only or American only or whatever only groups are not a good vehicle for increasing diversity. 
I think the fact that we are already having this discussion is really good, I’m very glad to see everyone’s concern. It is interesting that over half of Hyperledger staff is female but it does t seem to encourage higher participation from the community. 
Thank you for bringing this up!
Have a great day
m

Marta Piekarska
Director of Ecosystem, Hyperledger

SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH ME:  calendly.com/mpiekarska

marta@...
+447802336641 (U.K)
Signal, Wickr (martap)

Based in the U.K.

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity. 

On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:36, Dan Selman <dan@...> wrote:

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Vipin Bharathan
 

Hi all,

On the Identity WG we promoted the diversity message at yesterday's call. There is already a strong contribution from women in the working group and on the paper, however more contributions and attendance on the calls are welcome. We also made the point about all dimensions of diversity during the call. 

You will have my personal support on the Identity working group, Architecture Working Group as well as PSWG (groups I am involved with). I agree with Marta's message that having women only groups may introduce a ghetto mentality; this was my experience in several writers groups in New York city. I refused to join the "Asian Writers Corner" back in the 90s. What we need is support from Hyperledger and the speakers bureau and inclusiveness in panels, speakers fora and other venues for all dimensions of diversity.  Of course this is difficult when the decision makers are concentrated in one segment. 

Often the debate can turn ugly like it did in Google and other venues when this matter came up- false judgement of competence and a sense of being unfairly wronged and discriminated against by the dominant group may resonate far and wide like it did in our own political process in the US and elsewhere. Of course I do not agree with those sentiments, but they exist. 

We only hear assenting voices in the emails, there is the silent majority to contend with. To be successful, any measure that we take has to be aware of those key but yet unvoiced complaints as well and address those head on. No one admits to being a racist or a sexist or an ageist and it may be very difficult to see in oneself since self-knowledge is the most difficult kind of knowledge. 

This is not going to be an easy issue to redress, tech in general suffers from this syndrome; most societies and groups are built on the basis of discriminatory culture. This is not to say that we need not address these issues; but acknowledge that it may take more than lip service and a few initiatives; nonetheless we must persevere with action for real change!

Best,
Vipin
  


On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:10 AM brad rotter <brotter@...> wrote:

Marta

That was a superb point.

Just wanted to note that i am returning from speaking at a two blockchain conferences last week in Toronto.  

I observed a great number of woman at both events. Indeed, both conferences were produced by an amazing woman named Tracey Leparulo who runs Untraceable and has been involved in crypto since the early days of Ethereum.

Bradley Rotter





On Aug 23, 2018, at 05:59, Marta Piekarska <mpiekarska@...> wrote:

Dear Dan
These are great ideas, thank you! One word of caution: doing women only groups, events and so on, tends to isolate women more than actually help. We are not a different spices and we don’t need special treatment;) the way we do not creat men only groups for male support, women only or American only or whatever only groups are not a good vehicle for increasing diversity. 
I think the fact that we are already having this discussion is really good, I’m very glad to see everyone’s concern. It is interesting that over half of Hyperledger staff is female but it does t seem to encourage higher participation from the community. 
Thank you for bringing this up!
Have a great day
m

Marta Piekarska
Director of Ecosystem, Hyperledger

SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH ME:  calendly.com/mpiekarska

marta@...
+447802336641 (U.K)
Signal, Wickr (martap)

Based in the U.K.

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity. 

On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:36, Dan Selman <dan@...> wrote:

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

brad rotter
 


Marta

That was a superb point.

Just wanted to note that i am returning from speaking at a two blockchain conferences last week in Toronto.  

I observed a great number of woman at both events. Indeed, both conferences were produced by an amazing woman named Tracey Leparulo who runs Untraceable and has been involved in crypto since the early days of Ethereum.

Bradley Rotter





On Aug 23, 2018, at 05:59, Marta Piekarska <mpiekarska@...> wrote:

Dear Dan
These are great ideas, thank you! One word of caution: doing women only groups, events and so on, tends to isolate women more than actually help. We are not a different spices and we don’t need special treatment;) the way we do not creat men only groups for male support, women only or American only or whatever only groups are not a good vehicle for increasing diversity. 
I think the fact that we are already having this discussion is really good, I’m very glad to see everyone’s concern. It is interesting that over half of Hyperledger staff is female but it does t seem to encourage higher participation from the community. 
Thank you for bringing this up!
Have a great day
m

Marta Piekarska
Director of Ecosystem, Hyperledger

SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH ME:  calendly.com/mpiekarska

marta@...
+447802336641 (U.K)
Signal, Wickr (martap)

Based in the U.K.

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity. 

On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:36, Dan Selman <dan@...> wrote:

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Dan Selman
 

Happy to stand corrected.
Dan

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:59 AM Marta Piekarska <mpiekarska@...> wrote:
Dear Dan
These are great ideas, thank you! One word of caution: doing women only groups, events and so on, tends to isolate women more than actually help. We are not a different spices and we don’t need special treatment;) the way we do not creat men only groups for male support, women only or American only or whatever only groups are not a good vehicle for increasing diversity. 
I think the fact that we are already having this discussion is really good, I’m very glad to see everyone’s concern. It is interesting that over half of Hyperledger staff is female but it does t seem to encourage higher participation from the community. 
Thank you for bringing this up!
Have a great day
m

Marta Piekarska
Director of Ecosystem, Hyperledger

SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH ME:  calendly.com/mpiekarska

marta@...
+447802336641 (U.K)
Signal, Wickr (martap)

Based in the U.K.

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity. 

On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:36, Dan Selman <dan@...> wrote:

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Chair of Accord Project Technology Working Group

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CTO, Clause Inc.
Chair of Accord Project Technology Working Group


Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Marta Piekarska <mpiekarska@...>
 

Dear Dan
These are great ideas, thank you! One word of caution: doing women only groups, events and so on, tends to isolate women more than actually help. We are not a different spices and we don’t need special treatment;) the way we do not creat men only groups for male support, women only or American only or whatever only groups are not a good vehicle for increasing diversity. 
I think the fact that we are already having this discussion is really good, I’m very glad to see everyone’s concern. It is interesting that over half of Hyperledger staff is female but it does t seem to encourage higher participation from the community. 
Thank you for bringing this up!
Have a great day
m

Marta Piekarska
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On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:36, Dan Selman <dan@...> wrote:

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Dan Selman
 

Contacting existing women maintainers and contributors 1:1 is an easy first step. Encourage them to apply to the TSC or to move from contributor to maintainer. Explain what it entails, and set up a "Women in Hyperledger" group where they can meet and mentor each other. Use HL funds to fly those interested to an inaugural women-only meetup/kick-off. Ask Blythe, Kathryn Harrison, Marie Wiek, Tracy, Daniella and other women in the industry to speak at the event. I'm sure IBM, Oracle, Intel, and others would sponsor if asked. Get press coverage to encourage more women to join HL. Allocate a budget for the "Women in HL" group so they can self-organize and decide on how best to encourage more participation.

My two cents. Happy to help if you need yet another middle-aged white man's opinion! :-)

Sincerely,
Dan





On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM Shawn Amundson <amundson@...> wrote:
There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Shawn Amundson
 

There are certainly female engineers within the projects, but not all engineers are subscribed to this mailing list.

In Minneapolis, there is an effort to get a "Women in Blockchain" meetup off the ground:


We plan to cross-promote this meetup with a larger blockchain meetup we run in Minneapolis, and hopefully it will get critical mass.

These meetups and maybe other events could be a good way to identify leaders who could be encouraged to participate and give presentations at Hyperledger events. (Which presumably is a good way to get name recognition within HL, etc., etc.)

-Shawn

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org <blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Bob Summerwill <bob@...>
 

Blythe >> This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should
Blythe >> make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 

Great to see you here, Blythe!  Thanks for your input and yes, discussing this at the next governing board meeting would be a great place to start.

Dan - both of your suggestions (allarewelcomehere and member summit) make sense to me.   Lack of member engagement was a common problem in my time at the EEA as well.  Everyone has their own business to run and many of the smaller companies don't have the resources to do as much as they would like.  There are many female blockchain developers out there in member companies - and diversity in many other forms.    We need to have great on-ramps to make it easy for anybody who has the inclination to get more involved, whatever their professional skillset - and to make that an appealing and rewarding prospect.

Open source projects are LOTS OF FUN :-)


On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Middleton, Dan <dan.middleton@...> wrote:

Two early thoughts came to mind. First, it is pretty easy for us to always convey an “all are welcome here” message in our presentations and meetings – explicitly in text and verbally when we present Hyperledger. (example logo btw that is seen frequently in my part of the world https://allarewelcomehere.us/). Think about how often we put up the anti-trust notice. Would it be impactful to make this message as frequent?

 

Second, I am under the impression that many Hyperledger member companies have not yet determined how they will contribute beyond dues. We have the upcoming members summit and I think the general health of the community would be improved by more direct participation from our members (code, work group papers, etc.). Certainly a call for that participation to reflect the diversity of their workforces would help our immediate issue.

 

Regards,
Dan

 

 

From: <tsc@...> on behalf of Jonathan Levi <jonathan@...>
Reply-To: "jonathan@..." <jonathan@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 1:10 PM
To: "blythe@..." <blythe@...>, "Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org" <blythe=digitalasset.com@lists.hyperledger.org>, "bob@..." <bob@...>
Cc: "tsc@..." <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger TSC] How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

 

Blythe and others,

 

Right on! Will be happy to discuss, address and back/support ANY potential measure on that front. 

 

Enjoy your break!

-- Jonathan

 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org

Bob

I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 

I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 

This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 

Please do all keep suggestions coming. 

Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 

Rgds

Blythe

 

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 


On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

 

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

 

Just a thought,

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 


On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/ g/tsc/message/1591

And ...

  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.

Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.


 

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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Middleton, Dan
 

Two early thoughts came to mind. First, it is pretty easy for us to always convey an “all are welcome here” message in our presentations and meetings – explicitly in text and verbally when we present Hyperledger. (example logo btw that is seen frequently in my part of the world https://allarewelcomehere.us/). Think about how often we put up the anti-trust notice. Would it be impactful to make this message as frequent?

 

Second, I am under the impression that many Hyperledger member companies have not yet determined how they will contribute beyond dues. We have the upcoming members summit and I think the general health of the community would be improved by more direct participation from our members (code, work group papers, etc.). Certainly a call for that participation to reflect the diversity of their workforces would help our immediate issue.

 

Regards,
Dan

 

 

From: <tsc@...> on behalf of Jonathan Levi <jonathan@...>
Reply-To: "jonathan@..." <jonathan@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 1:10 PM
To: "blythe@..." <blythe@...>, "Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org" <blythe=digitalasset.com@...>, "bob@..." <bob@...>
Cc: "tsc@..." <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger TSC] How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

 

Blythe and others,

 

Right on! Will be happy to discuss, address and back/support ANY potential measure on that front. 

 

Enjoy your break!

-- Jonathan

 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org

<blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:

Bob

I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 

I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 

This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 

Please do all keep suggestions coming. 

Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 

Rgds

Blythe

 

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 


On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

 

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

 

Just a thought,

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 


On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/ g/tsc/message/1591

And ...

  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.

Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.


 

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Agenda for August 23rd, 2018

Todd Benzies <tbenzies@...>
 

  • Event Reminders
  • Annual TSC Election
    • 2018-2019 TSC results (in alphabetical order):
      • Arnaud Le Hors
      • Baohua Yang
      • Binh Nguyen
      • Christopher Ferris
      • Dan Middleton
      • Hart Montgomery
      • Kelly Olson
      • Mark Wagner
      • Mic Bowman
      • Nathan George
      • Silas Davis
    • Chair nominations begin directly following the TSC call per timing & process
  • Quarterly project updates
    • [3 weeks overdue] Hyperledger Composer update
    • Hyperledger Burrow update
    • Next week:  Hyperledger Cello update
  • Quarterly WG updates
    • TWGC Chair discussion
    • September 6th:  Architecture WG update
  • [pending] Copyright discussion -- with Hyperledger Legal Committee


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Re: Understanding the health of the Hyperledger community

David Boswell
 

Mark,

I'm glad to hear that you're interested in the idea of a community health working group and thanks for offering to get involved.

I also like your idea of having a sense of the availability of participants.  That makes sense to me -- a large community of people that aren't available won't be as healthy as a community the exact same size but full of people who are more available.  I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts on this.

Thanks,
David



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Mark Wagner <mwagner114@...> wrote:
I have been formulating an email in my head on something similar. It revolves around the "availability" of the participants. Note that there are some generalizations below. I do realize that this is not 100% everywhere.

I think one of the main things with working groups is that the output of WG is not the primary job function of many of the people involved. I know this holds true for me as Blockchain Performance and Scalability is clearly not part of my day job (but it is a passion!). My impression is that this holds many others involved with the PSWG.

In contrast, it seems that for many of the people participating in the various projects, that *is* their day job. They work on helping to bring a particular project forward.

So while I am trying my best to avoid the word "commitment", it really is the best term to use. For the WG case it is a "best effort" commitment. For the projects, it is a "I need to get it done" commitment. So if these observations are mostly correct, we may need need to approach working groups different from projects.

Thoughts ?

I would love to be involved in a Community Health Working Group to help figure this out.

-mark



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 17:46 Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:
Tracy, David, and I have been working on the charter for a proposed working group that would be concerned with the health of working groups and projects.

I hope you find this proposal timely in light of the discussion on last week's TSC call.


We are interested in your thoughts and comments. This is not yet a formal proposal to the TSC for the formation of the working group.
Ry
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Chat: @ry



Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Jonathan Levi
 

Blythe and others,

Right on! Will be happy to discuss, address and back/support ANY potential measure on that front. 

Enjoy your break!
-- Jonathan

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Blythe Masters via Lists.Hyperledger.Org
<blythe=digitalasset.com@...> wrote:
Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
Rgds
Blythe

Blythe Masters
Chief Executive Officer
c: +1 917 880 7829
e: blythe@... 

On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/ g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Blythe Masters <blythe@...>
 

Bob
I'm reading along from vacation and very glad to hear some truth being spoken on this sorry topic. 
I'm also conscious that although I may be a lone female "role model" in the Hyperledger governance structure, I'm not an engineer or developer, so hardly have a recipe for navigation based on my own experience. What I've learned from the financial sector also reinforces that this is a very hard problem to address. 
This is bigger than a Hyperledger problem of course, but we can and should make an effort given the platform we have, and I have already asked Brian to put the topic on the agenda at our next governing board meeting. 
Please do all keep suggestions coming. 
Dan (O'Prey) and I have been discussing ok ur own ideas. 
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On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Bob Summerwill <bob@...>
 

Dan - She(256) are great, yes.  I am personally involved with CryptoChicks, and am in contact with various other organizations working towards similar goals.
William - No women self-nominated.  Looking back through prior TSC elections, I don't think any women have ever self-nominated.

Before we get to solutions, I would like to ask the women of Hyperledger - how can we help?

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/08/22/women-of-hyperledger-how-can-i-help-you/

There must be women on this mailing list.   They are who I would really like to hear from on this topic.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 4:47 PM, William Sparks <wsparks@...> wrote:
Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: Understanding the health of the Hyperledger community

Mark Wagner
 

I have been formulating an email in my head on something similar. It revolves around the "availability" of the participants. Note that there are some generalizations below. I do realize that this is not 100% everywhere.

I think one of the main things with working groups is that the output of WG is not the primary job function of many of the people involved. I know this holds true for me as Blockchain Performance and Scalability is clearly not part of my day job (but it is a passion!). My impression is that this holds many others involved with the PSWG.

In contrast, it seems that for many of the people participating in the various projects, that *is* their day job. They work on helping to bring a particular project forward.

So while I am trying my best to avoid the word "commitment", it really is the best term to use. For the WG case it is a "best effort" commitment. For the projects, it is a "I need to get it done" commitment. So if these observations are mostly correct, we may need need to approach working groups different from projects.

Thoughts ?

I would love to be involved in a Community Health Working Group to help figure this out.

-mark



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Tracy, David, and I have been working on the charter for a proposed working group that would be concerned with the health of working groups and projects.

I hope you find this proposal timely in light of the discussion on last week's TSC call.


We are interested in your thoughts and comments. This is not yet a formal proposal to the TSC for the formation of the working group.
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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

bill
 

Hi Bob,
I am unclear if any females nominated themselves or were nominated?  Indeed a problem.  Elections happen and don’t always go as hoped.  Therefore, I propose the following for discussion:

1.  Perhaps a temp solution is to appoint an agreed number of at large TSC members selected by the LF and TSC.  I recognize this gets into governance but likely worth the effort. 

2.  Query the WG’s and projects for at large candidates that currently display avid participation within the HL umbrella.

Just a thought,

Bill






On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:21, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Re: How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Dan O'Prey <dan@...>
 

Thanks for raising this issue, Bob.

On this subject, I reached out to she(256) (great name) a couple of days ago. I have not yet been able to evaluate but have seen some positive signals from those in the community on twitter, so thought worth exploring. I will report back here if there's a meaningful way Hyperledger can contribute, but if anyone in this group has experience, please do share.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:22 PM Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:
Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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How can we improve diversity in the Hyperledger technical community?

Bob Summerwill <bob@...>
 

Further to this earlier thread:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/g/tsc/message/1591

And ...
  • All 29 TSC candidates are male.
  • All 11 existing TSC members are male.
  • Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.
Brian said ...

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.



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Understanding the health of the Hyperledger community

Ry Jones
 

Tracy, David, and I have been working on the charter for a proposed working group that would be concerned with the health of working groups and projects.

I hope you find this proposal timely in light of the discussion on last week's TSC call.


We are interested in your thoughts and comments. This is not yet a formal proposal to the TSC for the formation of the working group.
Ry
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Re: missing tsc election ballots

Brian Behlendorf
 

Thank you for bringing this up Bob, I agree that more can be done.

We are always open to ideas for more we could be doing as Linux Foundation staff on this project.  Diversity on the 10 internships we funded this cycle is greater than the below (I believe it's 3 out of the 10 but need to check).  We have provided support for a number of diversity-focused blockchain events and general computer industry events.  Let's start a new thread for any ideas folks might have about other approaches that can help.

Thanks,

Brian

On 08/20/2018 06:55 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote:
The gender imbalance?

Ratios I have seen in a lot of places in blockchain, computer science and and open source in general tend to be closer to 85% male to 15% female.

We need to do better within Hyperledger, IMHO.

On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:48 p.m. Baohua Yang, <yangbaohua@...> wrote:
Interested to know if this specifically happens in HL or popular in the entire open-source world?


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Bob Summerwill <bob@...> wrote:
That was my sad observation too, Dan:


All 29 TSC candidates are male.
All 11 existing TSC members are male.

Of the HL governing board 20/21 are male too, with the sole exception being Blythe Masters, the Chair.


On Mon., Aug. 20, 2018, 6:06 p.m. Middleton, Dan, <dan.middleton@...> wrote:
I was able to submit my ballot and I'm happy to say it was hard ranking. There's a lot of people whose work I respect on this list and some people whose work I'm not yet as familiar with but interested in learning about.

Unfortunately, what I also couldn't help noticing was that we didn't have a single female candidate.
There's no doubt a number of other groups (that are less apparent from a cursory inspection of names) who aren't represented in the technical leadership.

Regards,
Dan


On 8/20/18, 6:43 PM, "tsc@... on behalf of Brian Behlendorf" <tsc@... on behalf of bbehlendorf@...> wrote:

    On 08/20/2018 04:01 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote:
    > For sure.  Makes sense.
    >
    > Is this "votes obscured" pattern typical for elected technical (or
    > indeed non-technical) committees which you have seen in other open
    > source organizations, Brian?
    >
    I don't know whether other TSCs at Linux Foundation-hosted communities
    do this the same way, but I'm not aware of us being an exception to that.

    The Apache Software Foundation uses STV:
    https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting but then publishes just the
    list of names:
    https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/announcing-new-asf-board-of
    and I didn't see numbers published in the corresponding posts on
    members@....

    In general I have to say I prefer it as a way to get across that while
    popularity and contribution levels may differ, what's important is
    working together as humans and peers to get things done, and award a
    degree of recognition for one's service to the broader community, but
    not to score points on a leaderboard.

    Perhaps this is implicitly understood, but I'd add that another bit of
    Apache culture I think is important to bring over is that people are not
    on the TSC to represent their employer, but to represent themselves and
    their reputation in the community, which will in many (most?) cases
    outlast one's current employer.

    Brian



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