[Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
So far I believe we have the Architecture WG, the Identity WG, etc. which are all technical without carrying that label in their name.
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From: Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
To: 281165273@..., hyperledger-tsc <huruifeng@...>, Todd Benzies <tbenzies@...>
Cc: hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Date: 10/28/2016 06:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
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>
> Good suggestions.
>
> I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build
> a dedicated community.
> I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china
> community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china
> community(https://gocn.io/).
> Both are quite professional.
>
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community
that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be
a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and
documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings,
but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a
bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.
Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?
BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing
options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the
hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to
accelerate performance.
Brian
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Then what about Chinese Community Working Group? It seem the group’s work is a little beyond ‘Technical’.
Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
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Cc: hyperledger-tsc
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
One minor point on this: Why do you call this *Technical* Working Group. Do we have any other types of Working Groups?
So far I believe we have the Architecture WG, the Identity WG, etc. which are all technical without carrying that label in their name.
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Arnaud Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Technologies - IBM Cloud
From: Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
To: 281165273@..., hyperledger-tsc
<huruifeng@...>, Todd Benzies <tbenzies@...>
Cc: hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Date: 10/28/2016 06:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
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On 10/28/2016 02:04 AM,
281165273@... wrote:
>
> Good suggestions.
>
> I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build
> a dedicated community.
> I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china
> community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china
> community(https://gocn.io/).
> Both are quite professional.
>
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community
that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be
a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and
documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings,
but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a
bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.
Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?
BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing
options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the
hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to
accelerate performance.
Brian
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On 10/28/2016 08:39 PM, Huruifeng (Victor) via hyperledger-tsc wrote:
Then what about Chinese Community Working Group? It seem the group’s work is a little beyond ‘Technical’.
Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
To: Brian Behlendorf
Cc: hyperledger-tsc
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
One minor point on this: Why do you call this *Technical* Working Group. Do we have any other types of Working Groups?
So far I believe we have the Architecture WG, the Identity WG, etc. which are all technical without carrying that label in their name.
--
Arnaud Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Technologies - IBM Cloud
From: Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
To: 281165273@..., hyperledger-tsc <huruifeng@...>, Todd Benzies <tbenzies@...>
Cc: hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Date: 10/28/2016 06:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
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On 10/28/2016 02:04 AM, 281165273@... wrote:
>
> Good suggestions.
>
> I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build
> a dedicated community.
> I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china
> community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china
> community(https://gocn.io/).
> Both are quite professional.
>
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community
that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be
a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and
documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings,
but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a
bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.
Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?
BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing
options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the
hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to
accelerate performance.
Brian
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What I said "dedicated" is exactly same with a localized version of the hyperledger.org website in China. Meanwhile that is what angularjs and golang community done.
I have touched my ex-colleague who is a member of angularjs China community, they have communication with angularjs global team(generally project manager) termly. Owner of golang China community is @astaxie(author of https://github.com/astaxie/beego), we can manage to ask him provide some information.
Let me know what you want to look at, we can get more from them.
>
> Good suggestions.
>
> I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build
> a dedicated community.
> I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china
> community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china
> community(https://gocn.io/).
> Both are quite professional.
>
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community
that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be
a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and
documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings,
but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a
bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.
Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?
BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing
options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the
hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to
accelerate performance.
Brian
--
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
Brian,
What I said "dedicated" is exactly same with a localized version of the hyperledger.org website in China. Meanwhile that is what angularjs and golang community done.
I have touched my ex-colleague who is a member of angularjs China community, they have communication with angularjs global team(generally project manager) termly. Owner of golang China community is @astaxie(author of https://github.com/astaxie/beego), we can manage to ask him provide some information.
Let me know what you want to look at, we can get more from them.------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Brian Behlendorf";<bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org>; Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 09:17 PMTo: "葡萄爸爸"<281165273@...>; "hyperledger-tsc"<huruifeng@huawei.com>; "Todd Benzies"<tbenzies@ linuxfoundation.org>; Cc: "hyperledger-tsc"<hyperledger-tsc@...>; Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, ChinaOn 10/28/2016 02:04 AM, 281165273@... wrote:
>
> Good suggestions.
>
> I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build
> a dedicated community.
> I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china
> community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china
> community(https://gocn.io/).
> Both are quite professional.
>
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community
that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be
a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and
documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings,
but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a
bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.
Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?
BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing
options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the
hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to
accelerate performance.
Brian
--
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Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
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https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/technical-working-group-china
I'd like to propose that we begin with three members of the working group. I'd like to nominate the following individuals, based on some prior conversations, but of course depending upon their willingness to do this:
* Baohua Yang <yangbaohua@...>
* CHARLES Cai (蔡栋) <charlescai@...>
* 胡瑞丰(Victor) <huruifeng@...>
Of course more participants will be able to get involved in the forums that the WG decide are their officially supported forums - be it a mailing list, a WeChat group, or some other tool. The point is that these three represent the bridge between both worlds.
We can discuss at the TSC phone call in a few hours. Charles, Bauhoa, Victor, let me know if you want to decline the nomination, in which case we can call out for other volunteers.
Thanks,
Brian
On 10/26/2016 07:31 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
Dear TSC members,
The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.
So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":
Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.
Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.
Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.
Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.
Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,
Brian
-- Brian Behlendorf Executive Director, Hyperledger bbehlendorf@... Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
Thanks Brian for the nomination, I found no reason to decline it:-)
I’m happy to have a chance to serve the community and will try my best to make it better.
Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
Thursday, December 01, 2016
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 6:35 PM
To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...' <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
Based on the positive response to this from the community, I cleaned up the language just a little bit and created a page for the Working Group on the Wiki:
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/technical-working-group-china
I'd like to propose that we begin with three members of the working group. I'd like to nominate the following individuals, based on some prior conversations, but of course depending upon their willingness to do this:
* Baohua Yang <yangbaohua@...>
* CHARLES Cai (蔡栋)
<charlescai@...>
* 胡瑞丰(Victor)
<huruifeng@...>
Of course more participants will be able to get involved in the forums that the WG decide are their officially supported forums - be it a mailing list, a WeChat group, or some other tool. The point is that these three represent the bridge between both worlds.
We can discuss at the TSC phone call in a few hours. Charles, Bauhoa, Victor, let me know if you want to decline the nomination, in which case we can call out for other volunteers.
Thanks,
Brian
On 10/26/2016 07:31 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
Dear TSC members,
The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.
So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":
Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.
Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.
Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.
Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.
Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,
Brian
--
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
Based on the positive response to this from the community, I cleaned up the language just a little bit and created a page for the Working Group on the Wiki:
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/technical-working- group-china
I'd like to propose that we begin with three members of the working group. I'd like to nominate the following individuals, based on some prior conversations, but of course depending upon their willingness to do this:
* Baohua Yang <yangbaohua@...>
* CHARLES Cai (蔡栋) <charlescai@...>
* 胡瑞丰(Victor) <huruifeng@...>
Of course more participants will be able to get involved in the forums that the WG decide are their officially supported forums - be it a mailing list, a WeChat group, or some other tool. The point is that these three represent the bridge between both worlds.
We can discuss at the TSC phone call in a few hours. Charles, Bauhoa, Victor, let me know if you want to decline the nomination, in which case we can call out for other volunteers.
Thanks,
Brian
On 10/26/2016 07:31 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
Dear TSC members,
The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.
So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":
Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.
Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.
Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.
Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.
Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,
Brian
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Baohua Yang
Brian
On 12/01/2016 04:55 AM, Huruifeng (Victor) wrote:
Thanks Brian for the nomination, I found no reason to decline it:-)
I’m happy to have a chance to serve the community and will try my best to make it better.
Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
Thursday, December 01, 2016
From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 6:35 PM
To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...' <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
Based on the positive response to this from the community, I cleaned up the language just a little bit and created a page for the Working Group on the Wiki:
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/technical-working-group-china
I'd like to propose that we begin with three members of the working group. I'd like to nominate the following individuals, based on some prior conversations, but of course depending upon their willingness to do this:
* Baohua Yang <yangbaohua@...>
* CHARLES Cai (蔡栋) <charlescai@...>
* 胡瑞丰(Victor) <huruifeng@...>
Of course more participants will be able to get involved in the forums that the WG decide are their officially supported forums - be it a mailing list, a WeChat group, or some other tool. The point is that these three represent the bridge between both worlds.
We can discuss at the TSC phone call in a few hours. Charles, Bauhoa, Victor, let me know if you want to decline the nomination, in which case we can call out for other volunteers.
Thanks,
Brian
On 10/26/2016 07:31 PM, Brian Behlendorf wrote:Dear TSC members,
The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.
So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":
Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.
Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.
Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.
Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.
Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,
Brian
--Brian BehlendorfExecutive Director, Hyperledgerbbehlendorf@...Twitter: @brianbehlendorf
-- Brian Behlendorf Executive Director, Hyperledger bbehlendorf@... Twitter: @brianbehlendorf