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[Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Brian Behlendorf
 

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,

Brian

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Hope this proposal can be approved ASAP.

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From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Date:  Oct 27, 2016
To:  "'hyperledger-tsc@...'"<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is
really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I
know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on
a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are
headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain
development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to
bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer
communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux
Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a
business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some
technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat
channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like
to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who
may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in
using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable,
but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical
Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community,
and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and
the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is
responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by
responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of
community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new
developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing
motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development
initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make
sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be
TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and
re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are
taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three
Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication
that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email
list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's
recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. 
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious
tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the
TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance,
process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report
should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new
participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though
there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But
approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of
doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

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Baohua Yang
 

+1!

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.  The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Executive Director, Hyperledger
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Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

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Best wishes!

Baohua Yang
Zhongli Dong
 

great idea!

On 27 October 2016 at 13:31, Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.  The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Executive Director, Hyperledger
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Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

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Huruifeng(Victor)
 

Hi Brian,

I'm all for it and volunteering myself for the work group. It can act as a channel between local and global communities, also a coach using mother tongue for new developers. And I think the latter one would even be more important, due to my personal experience on figuring out how the community works. I'm looking forward to its establishment and have some ideas on it.

Governance: For our goal is to build a cooperated, active community and allow different voices coming out from either organizations and individuals, I suggest Chairs should come from different companies, and encourage individuals apply for it.
Another important concern is not to create a split community. So I would suggest another position in the TWGC which could act as liaison or auditor, taken by an LF employee.

Communications: Since WeChat messages are not public and archived nowhere, we'd better use mailing list or other forum tools like Discourse which can catalize discussions into interest groups. I haven't find out which tool would work best in China yet, but I'll think about it and provide several candidates for discussion.

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

Just my thoughts, open for discussion:-)

Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
Huawei Technologies.

-----Original Message-----
From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:32 AM
To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'
Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,

Brian

--
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

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Huruifeng(Victor)
 

Follow up for my previous email. I did a little digging of some popular communication platforms for developers in China, as listed in the chart below.

 

After a rough comparison between these tools(though I haven’t contacted with their supporting team yet), personally I would prefer SegmentFault. It provides a familiar pattern as Quora and is friendly to users, easy to get started with. It also supports creating subsite for one project.

 

The information is for your reference, comments are welcomed.

 

@Todd, it seems I need your approval to post the email to the list. Can you help me with that?

 

Name

URL

Alexa Ranking (China/Global)

Categorize method

Remark

V2EX

https://www.v2ex.com/

224 /2332

Node/subNode, tree structure

Strict management.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
New member can not create new post within 4 hours.

SegmentFault

https://segmentfault.com/

172/1986

Subsite/Tag

Like Quora, but specified for developers.
Good UI, easy to use.
Provides good searching functions.
Has a member ranking mechanism.
Some operation requires member rank.

CSDN bbs

http://bbs.csdn.net/home

37/224

Forum/subForum/Tag

Highest in visitor numbers.
Friendly to orgnizations, easy to manage the forum.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
Less developer topics.

ITeye forum

http://www.iteye.com/forums

406/4571

Forum/subForum/Tag

Before creating a new post, a small test should be done to make sure the user has been clear about the rules.
Not as active as before.
Acquired by CSDN at 2015.

OSChina

https://www.oschina.net/

96/789

Tag

Provides Q&A and blog platform.
Not well categorized.
OSChina privides another tool team@oschina, it provides codebase, issue tracking and discussion board. But still posts are not well categorized.

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Huruifeng (Victor)
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:34 AM
To: 'Brian Behlendorf'
Cc: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'
Subject: RE: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Hi Brian,

 

I'm all for it and volunteering myself for the work group. It can act as a channel between local and global communities, also a coach using mother tongue for new developers. And I think the latter one would even be more important, due to my personal experience on figuring out how the community works. I'm looking forward to its establishment and have some ideas on it.

 

Governance: For our goal is to build a cooperated, active community and allow different voices coming out from either organizations and individuals, I suggest Chairs should come from different companies, and encourage individuals apply for it.

Another important concern is not to create a split community. So I would suggest another position in the TWGC which could act as liaison or auditor, taken by an LF employee.

 

Communications: Since WeChat messages are not public and archived nowhere, we'd better use mailing list or other forum tools like Discourse which can catalize discussions into interest groups. I haven't find out which tool would work best in China yet, but I'll think about it and provide several candidates for discussion.

 

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

 

Just my thoughts, open for discussion:-)

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:32 AM

To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'

Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Dear TSC members,

 

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.

 

 

So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

 

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

 

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

 

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. 

The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

 

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.

 

 

 

Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

 

Brian

 

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Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

 

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Christopher Ferris <chris.ferris@...>
 

Victor,

Great thoughts... thanks

Chris

On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Huruifeng (Victor) via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

I'm all for it and volunteering myself for the work group. It can act as a channel between local and global communities, also a coach using mother tongue for new developers. And I think the latter one would even be more important, due to my personal experience on figuring out how the community works. I'm looking forward to its establishment and have some ideas on it.

Governance: For our goal is to build a cooperated, active community and allow different voices coming out from either organizations and individuals, I suggest Chairs should come from different companies, and encourage individuals apply for it.
Another important concern is not to create a split community. So I would suggest another position in the TWGC which could act as liaison or auditor, taken by an LF employee.

Communications: Since WeChat messages are not public and archived nowhere, we'd better use mailing list or other forum tools like Discourse which can catalize discussions into interest groups. I haven't find out which tool would work best in China yet, but I'll think about it and provide several candidates for discussion.

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

Just my thoughts, open for discussion:-)

Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)
Huawei Technologies.

-----Original Message-----
From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:32 AM
To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'
Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,

Brian

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Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf

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Mic Bowman
 

+1!!

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:47 PM
To: hyperledger-tsc <bbehlendorf@...>; hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Hope this proposal can be approved ASAP.

 

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From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;

Date:  Oct 27, 2016

To:  "'hyperledger-tsc@...'"<hyperledger-tsc@...>;

Subject:  [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is
really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I
know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on
a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are
headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain
development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to
bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer
communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux
Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a
business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some
technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat
channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like
to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who
may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in
using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable,
but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical
Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community,
and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and
the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is
responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by
responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of
community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new
developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing
motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development
initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make
sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be
TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and
re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are
taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three
Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication
that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email
list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's
recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. 
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious
tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the
TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance,
process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report
should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new
participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though
there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But
approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of
doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Same here. Sounds great.
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To:        "hyperledger-tsc@..." <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Date:        10/27/2016 07:31 AM
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+1!!
 

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To: hyperledger-tsc <bbehlendorf@...>; hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Hope this proposal can be approved ASAP.
 
------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Date:  Oct 27, 2016
To:  "'hyperledger-tsc@...'"<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is
really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I
know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on
a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are
headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain
development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to
bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer
communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux
Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a
business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some
technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat
channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like
to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who
may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in
using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable,
but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical
Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community,
and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and
the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is
responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by
responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of
community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new
developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing
motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development
initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make
sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be
TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and
re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are
taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three
Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication
that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email
list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's
recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.  
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious
tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the
TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance,
process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report
should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new
participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though
there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But
approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of
doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Hu Ruifeng (Victor) <huruifeng@...> wrote:

After a rough comparison between these tools(though I haven’t contacted with their supporting team yet), personally I would prefer SegmentFault. It provides a familiar pattern as Quora and is friendly to users, easy to get started with. It also supports creating subsite for one project.
I suggest using channels with a dedicated namespace (e.g. twgc-topic-a
twgc-topic-b) in current Slack community.

Even a separate mailing list would be better than SegmentFault, V2EX
and similar services since they are serving (mainly) for the mainland
China users.

TWGC is facing to the greater China region IMO. Consider the technical
user and contributor community in Hong Kong, Taiwan and the rest of the
world please.

And use services like SF, V2EX etc. could led to a split community which
we all won't like to see.

Ray
Christopher Ferris <chris.ferris@...>
 

+1 I really think this is a positive step. 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Arnaud Le Hors via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
Same here. Sounds great.
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Date:        10/27/2016 07:31 AM
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+1!!
 
From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@lists.hyperledger.org [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of ???? via hyperledger-tsc
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:47 PM
To: hyperledger-tsc <bbehlendorf@linuxfoundation.org>; hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@lists.hyperledger.org>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Hope this proposal can be approved ASAP.
 
------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Date:  Oct 27, 2016
To:  "'hyperledger-tsc@lists.hyperledger.org'"<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is
really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I
know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on
a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are
headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain
development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to
bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer
communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux
Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a
business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some
technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat
channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like
to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who
may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in
using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable,
but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical
Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community,
and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and
the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is
responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by
responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of
community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new
developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing
motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development
initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make
sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be
TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and
re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are
taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three
Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication
that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email
list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's
recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.  
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious
tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the
TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance,
process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report
should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new
participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though
there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But
approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of
doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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As far as I am concerned, the more outreach we have, the better.  So I definitely support this. 

 

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+1 I really think this is a positive step. 

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Arnaud Le Hors via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:

Same here. Sounds great.
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+1!!
 
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To: hyperledger-tsc <bbehlendorf@...>; hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Hope this proposal can be approved ASAP.
 

------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Date:  Oct 27, 2016
To:  "'hyperledger-tsc@...'"<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China
 
Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is
really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I
know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on
a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are
headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain
development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to
bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer
communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux
Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a
business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some
technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat
channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like
to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who
may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in
using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable,
but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical
Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community,
and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and
the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is
responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by
responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of
community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new
developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing
motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development
initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make
sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be
TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and
re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are
taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three
Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication
that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email
list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's
recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join.  
The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious
tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the
TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance,
process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report
should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new
participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though
there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But
approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of
doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

Brian

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Hu Ruifeng (Victor) <huruifeng@...> wrote:

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.
Great suggestion, agreed with this ;-)

Ray
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Agree.

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Hu Ruifeng (Victor) <huruifeng@...> wrote:

> Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

Great suggestion, agreed with this ;-)

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On 27 Oct 2016, at 04:31, Brian Behlendorf via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:

Dear TSC members,

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive. Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis. At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there. We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world. The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff. But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.


So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan. It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites. It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh. No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle. The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.



Thoughts? I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly. But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw. Thanks,

Brian

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Hi Ray,

The community has discussed a lot about reducing Slack usages. For the messages are not well archived and we can't use searching functions to get answers for those questions already solved. That's also why WeChat is not our first option.

I agree TWGC is serving the greater China region, and what's in common of these districts are at least the language background. So to better communicate, the community is trying to find a place for developers to communicate with their mother tongue, that's the reason we’re looking for a 'stackoverflow (Chinese version)'.

And don't worry about the splitting. It would be a complementary method beside the mailing list. And Chairs and the liaison I suggested should make sure this would not happen. On the other hand, I believe quick growth of local communities is also encourage by the whole Hyperledger ecosystem.

Does these makes sense to you?

Regards,
胡瑞丰(Victor)

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Hu Ruifeng (Victor) <huruifeng@...> wrote:

After a rough comparison between these tools(though I haven’t contacted with their supporting team yet), personally I would prefer SegmentFault. It provides a familiar pattern as Quora and is friendly to users, easy to get started with. It also supports creating subsite for one project.
I suggest using channels with a dedicated namespace (e.g. twgc-topic-a
twgc-topic-b) in current Slack community.

Even a separate mailing list would be better than SegmentFault, V2EX and similar services since they are serving (mainly) for the mainland China users.

TWGC is facing to the greater China region IMO. Consider the technical user and contributor community in Hong Kong, Taiwan and the rest of the world please.

And use services like SF, V2EX etc. could led to a split community which we all won't like to see.

Ray
281165273@...
 


Good suggestions.

I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build a dedicated community.
I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china community(https://gocn.io/).
Both are quite professional.

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From:  "hyperledger-tsc";<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Date:  Thu, Oct 27, 2016 07:50 PM
To:  "Brian Behlendorf"<bbehlendorf@...>; "Todd Benzies"<tbenzies@...>;
Cc:  "hyperledger-tsc@..."<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Follow up for my previous email. I did a little digging of some popular communication platforms for developers in China, as listed in the chart below.

 

After a rough comparison between these tools(though I haven’t contacted with their supporting team yet), personally I would prefer SegmentFault. It provides a familiar pattern as Quora and is friendly to users, easy to get started with. It also supports creating subsite for one project.

 

The information is for your reference, comments are welcomed.

 

@Todd, it seems I need your approval to post the email to the list. Can you help me with that?

 

Name

URL

Alexa Ranking (China/Global)

Categorize method

Remark

V2EX

https://www.v2ex.com/

224 /2332

Node/subNode, tree structure

Strict management.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
New member can not create new post within 4 hours.

SegmentFault

https://segmentfault.com/

172/1986

Subsite/Tag

Like Quora, but specified for developers.
Good UI, easy to use.
Provides good searching functions.
Has a member ranking mechanism.
Some operation requires member rank.

CSDN bbs

http://bbs.csdn.net/home

37/224

Forum/subForum/Tag

Highest in visitor numbers.
Friendly to orgnizations, easy to manage the forum.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
Less developer topics.

ITeye forum

http://www.iteye.com/forums

406/4571

Forum/subForum/Tag

Before creating a new post, a small test should be done to make sure the user has been clear about the rules.
Not as active as before.
Acquired by CSDN at 2015.

OSChina

https://www.oschina.net/

96/789

Tag

Provides Q&A and blog platform.
Not well categorized.
OSChina privides another tool team@oschina, it provides codebase, issue tracking and discussion board. But still posts are not well categorized.

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Huruifeng (Victor)
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:34 AM
To: 'Brian Behlendorf'
Cc: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'
Subject: RE: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Hi Brian,

 

I'm all for it and volunteering myself for the work group. It can act as a channel between local and global communities, also a coach using mother tongue for new developers. And I think the latter one would even be more important, due to my personal experience on figuring out how the community works. I'm looking forward to its establishment and have some ideas on it.

 

Governance: For our goal is to build a cooperated, active community and allow different voices coming out from either organizations and individuals, I suggest Chairs should come from different companies, and encourage individuals apply for it.

Another important concern is not to create a split community. So I would suggest another position in the TWGC which could act as liaison or auditor, taken by an LF employee.

 

Communications: Since WeChat messages are not public and archived nowhere, we'd better use mailing list or other forum tools like Discourse which can catalize discussions into interest groups. I haven't find out which tool would work best in China yet, but I'll think about it and provide several candidates for discussion.

 

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

 

Just my thoughts, open for discussion:-)

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

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Dear TSC members,

 

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.

 

 

So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

 

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

 

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

 

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. 

The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

 

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.

 

 

 

Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

 

Brian

 

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Good suggestions.

I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build a dedicated community.
I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china community(https://gocn.io/).
Both are quite professional.

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Date:  Thu, Oct 27, 2016 07:50 PM
To:  "Brian Behlendorf"<bbehlendorf@...>; "Todd Benzies"<tbenzies@...>;
Cc:  "hyperledger-tsc@..."<hyperledger-tsc@...>;
Subject:  Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

Follow up for my previous email. I did a little digging of some popular communication platforms for developers in China, as listed in the chart below.

 

After a rough comparison between these tools(though I haven’t contacted with their supporting team yet), personally I would prefer SegmentFault. It provides a familiar pattern as Quora and is friendly to users, easy to get started with. It also supports creating subsite for one project.

 

The information is for your reference, comments are welcomed.

 

@Todd, it seems I need your approval to post the email to the list. Can you help me with that?

 

Name

URL

Alexa Ranking (China/Global)

Categorize method

Remark

V2EX

https://www.v2ex.com/

224 /2332

Node/subNode, tree structure

Strict management.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
New member can not create new post within 4 hours.

SegmentFault

https://segmentfault.com/

172/1986

Subsite/Tag

Like Quora, but specified for developers.
Good UI, easy to use.
Provides good searching functions.
Has a member ranking mechanism.
Some operation requires member rank.

CSDN bbs

http://bbs.csdn.net/home

37/224

Forum/subForum/Tag

Highest in visitor numbers.
Friendly to orgnizations, easy to manage the forum.
Has a credit mechanisem.
Create posts will cost credits.
Less developer topics.

ITeye forum

http://www.iteye.com/forums

406/4571

Forum/subForum/Tag

Before creating a new post, a small test should be done to make sure the user has been clear about the rules.
Not as active as before.
Acquired by CSDN at 2015.

OSChina

https://www.oschina.net/

96/789

Tag

Provides Q&A and blog platform.
Not well categorized.
OSChina privides another tool team@oschina, it provides codebase, issue tracking and discussion board. But still posts are not well categorized.

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Huruifeng (Victor)
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:34 AM
To: 'Brian Behlendorf'
Cc: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'
Subject: RE: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Hi Brian,

 

I'm all for it and volunteering myself for the work group. It can act as a channel between local and global communities, also a coach using mother tongue for new developers. And I think the latter one would even be more important, due to my personal experience on figuring out how the community works. I'm looking forward to its establishment and have some ideas on it.

 

Governance: For our goal is to build a cooperated, active community and allow different voices coming out from either organizations and individuals, I suggest Chairs should come from different companies, and encourage individuals apply for it.

Another important concern is not to create a split community. So I would suggest another position in the TWGC which could act as liaison or auditor, taken by an LF employee.

 

Communications: Since WeChat messages are not public and archived nowhere, we'd better use mailing list or other forum tools like Discourse which can catalize discussions into interest groups. I haven't find out which tool would work best in China yet, but I'll think about it and provide several candidates for discussion.

 

Reporting: A lot of things may happen in one month. But reporting once a week seem to be too much. So I suggest each week TWGC provide a digest of discussions happening to TSC mailing list, but still report once a month.

 

Just my thoughts, open for discussion:-)

 

Regards,

胡瑞丰(Victor)

Huawei Technologies.

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:32 AM

To: 'hyperledger-tsc@...'

Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Technical Working Group, China

 

Dear TSC members,

 

The interest from Chinese developers and companies in Hyperledger is really impressive.  Both Chris and I have been there recently, and I know many of you on this list are either based there or travel there on a regular basis.  At least 21 of our sponsoring members are headquartered in China, and many more (like IBM) have active blockchain development efforts there.  We also know how challenging it can be to bridge the time zone, linguistic, and cultural divides between developer communities in the region and the rest of the world.  The Linux Foundation is starting to get feet on the ground there (we now have a business development guy in Hong Kong and will be bringing on some technical community talent there too), and of course we have a WeChat channel for the HL community being monitored by LF staff.  But I'd like to find a way to connect more directly with the technical community who may find the timing of TSC calls difficult and the language barriers in using email a challenge, and help them feel supported and comfortable, but without creating a split community.

 

 

So to address this, I'd like to propose that we set up a "Technical Working Group, China":

 

Mission: The TWGC is a bridge between the global Hyperledger community, and the emerging technical user and contributor community in China and the greater China region, including Hong Kong and Taiwan.  It is responsible for growing the Hyperledger developer community in China by responding to new user questions, helping with first-level triage of community-reported bugs or other issues, helping demonstrate to new developers how to report bugs or file pull requests, and pointing motivated developers towards the project roadmaps and development initiatives at the global Hyperledger web sites.  It should also make sure to expose new users to the broad range of projects at Hyperledger.

 

Governance: It would be Chaired by two or three developers (who could be TSC members but don't have to be) who are appointed by the TSC, and re-appointed every 6 months to keep it fresh.  No formal votes are taken, so no formal membership in the WG beyond those two-three Chairpersons.

 

Communications: This WG would have their own method of communication that could include whatever they feel would be most appropriate: email list, WeChat channel, Slack channel, or something else - so long as it's recorded and archived somehow, and open to anyone who wants to join. 

The Chairpersons are responsible for ensuring a productive, harmonious tone on these channels.

 

Reporting: This WG would report on its activities once a month to the TSC, including any issues that need addressing from a governance, process, community devtools, or other community-wide angle.  The report should include some measure of activity and measure of how well new participants are being welcomed in.

 

 

 

Thoughts?  I'm happy to talk about this on tomorrow's TSC call, though there's not a big need to rush the approval of this that quickly.  But approval in the next few weeks would be terrific. We're thinking of doing something similar from a marketing perspective too, fwiw.  Thanks,

 

Brian

 

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Hu Ruifeng (Victor) <huruifeng@...> wrote:

The community has discussed a lot about reducing Slack usages. For the messages are not well archived and we can't use searching functions to get answers for those questions already solved. That's also why WeChat is not our first option.
Thanks for pointing this out, Victor.

I spent some time reading previous threads in the mailing list that
discussed the migration of Mailman and Slack, and here's my thoughts:

The Hyperledger community have several communication channels which can
or should roughly be classified as three kinds (at my understanding):

1. Announcement: mailing list, wiki, blog.

2. For dev guys: Gerrit (code review), Jira (issue tracking), Slack and
mailing list (free-flow and formal technical discussion).

3. User support and tech/non-tech Q&A: currently no, but we are
evaluating Discourse, and maybe we can consider something like
'hyperledger.stackexchange.com' in the future.

The problem is, too many user support and Q&A conversations are taking
place in Slack, for many reasons, and thus causes many troubles (cannot
tracking problems that already be solved, limited archive etc.). But
Slack as a tool itself should not be blamed IMHO, it's a problem of
community guidelines and how people should use these tools actually.

So back to TWGC: TWGC need also these channels,

1. Announcement: an official mailing list, may or may not in a separated
namespace.

2. Dev: TWGC don't need another Gerrit or Jira of course, but we do need
a Slack/IRC alike tool for free-flow chatting. As Slack is still
being used, it's a good choice to open Slack channels under a
separated namespace (under supervision), thus Chinese dev guys and
related members can join and chat with their own language. Don't
worry about the potential abandon of Slack: we can migrate together
with the Hyperledger community to the new platform. No WeChat ;-)

3. User support and Q&A: this is where SegmentFault comes in.

I agree TWGC is serving the greater China region, and what's in common of these districts are at least the language background. So to better communicate, the community is trying to find a place for developers to communicate with their mother tongue, that's the reason we’re looking for a 'stackoverflow (Chinese version)'.
Agreed with SegmentFault being a 'StackOverflow in Chinese version'.

And don't worry about the splitting. It would be a complementary method beside the mailing list. And Chairs and the liaison I suggested should make sure this would not happen. On the other hand, I believe quick growth of local communities is also encourage by the whole Hyperledger ecosystem.
Yes, they would and should be complementary methods beside the mailing
list.

Thanks again for your patient and detailed explanation, Victor :-)

Any comment or thought are welcomed!

Ray
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On 10/28/2016 02:04 AM, 281165273@... wrote:

Good suggestions.

I would like to make another alternative suggestion that we can build a dedicated community.
I saw two successful examples for reference, one is angularJS china community(https://angular.cn/), another is golang china community(https://gocn.io/).
Both are quite professional.
I think the key is determining how to enable a "dedicated" community that doesn't turn into an isolated one. My hope is that the TWGC can be a tightly bonded professional community, with its own discussions and documents and, if they'd like, phone calls & face to face gatherings, but they also see the need to relate to the global efforts and be a bridge, and not divide the development efforts on HL codebases.

Are there other things those examples above do that we could look at?

BTW we were slow on the "hyperledger.cn" domain name, we are pursuing options there, but we are looking at doing a localized version of the hyperledger.org website and hosting in China (or using a China CDN) to accelerate performance.

Brian

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