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[Hyperledger Project TSC] Hyperledger project strawman proposal
Binh Q Nguyen <binhn@...>
Hi team,
I thought perhaps we could start with something a bit more concrete for our discussion today on the potential seeds for the project.
(See attached file: IBM Hyperledger Project Proposal - 20160207.pdf)
Thanks,
- Binh
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Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you to everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting everything lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at 10am Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies for last week?s disruption with the 25 person limit. We have fixed that issue and now have a 100 person capacity. I?m also copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss mailing lists. In the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC meetings. However, I didn?t want to miss anyone this first week, so I?ve copied both lists. If you have not signed up for any mailing lists, you will want to do so here: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
? Mike
Proposed Agenda
I?ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have other thoughts / comments, please let me know.
Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins). Also, if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC?d) of your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will distribute a list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have everyone identified.
Discussion of tools/services that would be helpful to the community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on freenode with Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger shared wiki or setup wiki.hyperledger.org?
Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time slot for the TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence and/or time or day?
Discuss where/how to land code. Common question we?re getting is ?where is the code?? Need to discuss how to get proposed code into public review.
Discuss process for getting to a code starting point. Proposal template for evaluation?
Discuss proposals for the common starting points
Networking
BFT
Storage
Cryptographic libraries
Member services
1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process
Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
Send slate of respective nominees to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting (http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
GoToMeeting Instructions
URL: https://www.gotomeeting.com/join/613310429
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United States: +1 (312) 757-3119
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Hi team,
I thought perhaps we could start with something a bit more concrete for our
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(See attached file: IBM Hyperledger Project Proposal - 20160207.pdf)
Thanks,
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[Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Todd Benzies <tbenzies@...>
Hyperledger Project Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT) via GoToMeeting
TSC Members Emmanuel Viale | Accenture | Present | Kireeti Reddy | CME Group | N/A | Shaul Kfir | DAH | N/A | Stefan Teis | Deutsche Boerse Group | Present | Pardha Vishnumolakala | DTCC | N/A | Kei Taniuchi | Fujitsu | N/A | TBD | Hitachi | N/A | Chris Ferris | IBM | Present | Mic Bowman | Intel | Present | David Voell | J.P. Morgan | Present | Richard G. Brown | R3 | Present |
More information on the TSC Members can be found at https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
TSC Chair Elections
Note: if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified tbenzies@... of your TSC representative, please do so ASAP. Process for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members) Begin nomination period: Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th Send slate of respective nominees to TSC Members: Thursday, Feb 18th Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting (http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/) Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
The TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list) Startup Period: During the first six (6) months after project launch, the TSC voting members shall consist of one (1) appointed representative from each Premier Member and each Top Level Project Maintainer, provided that no company (including related companies or affiliates under common control) shall have more than three (3) votes on the TSC. Steady State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a nomination and election period for electing Contributors or Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting members shall consist of eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen by the Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any Contributor who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase during the prior twelve (12) months. The TSC shall approve the process and timing for nominations and elections held on an annual basis.
Tools/Services
Meeting Cadence
Code
Template for Proposal Evaluation
Proposals for Common Starting Points
Previous discussion Networking BFT Storage Cryptographic libraries Member services
Consensus: start lower down the stack where people are much closer in agreement, and then slowly work up the stack. Needed: create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting Discussion on basic use cases to address High-level thoughts on how proposed contributions could be converged Walk-through of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan)
Previous Discussions from Formation Meetings
Evaluation Criteria Security Interoperability Scalability Extensibility Deployment Environment Ecosystem Change Management Resilience
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Michael Dolan <mdolan@...> wrote: Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you to everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting everything lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at 10am Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies for last week’s disruption with the 25 person limit. We have fixed that issue and now have a 100 person capacity. I’m also copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss mailing lists. In the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC meetings. However, I didn’t want to miss anyone this first week, so I’ve copied both lists. If you have not signed up for any mailing lists, you will want to do so here: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
— Mike
Proposed Agenda
I’ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have other thoughts / comments, please let me know. - Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins). Also, if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC’d) of your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will distribute a list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have everyone identified.
- Discussion of tools/services that would be helpful to the community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on freenode with Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger shared wiki or setup wiki.hyperledger.org?
- Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time slot for the TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence and/or time or day?
- Discuss where/how to land code. Common question we’re getting is “where is the code?” Need to discuss how to get proposed code into public review.
- Discuss process for getting to a code starting point. Proposal template for evaluation?
- Discuss proposals for the common starting points
- Networking
- BFT
- Storage
- Cryptographic libraries
- Member services
1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process - Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
- End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
- Send slate of respective nominees to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
- Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting (http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
- Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
- Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
GoToMeeting Instructions
You can also dial in using your phone.
Access Code: 613-310-429
-- Todd BenziesSenior Program Manager The Linux Foundation
+1 (415) 412-0310 (m) Skype: tbenzies
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Jesus Diaz Vico <jesus.diaz.vico@...>
Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not attend the complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being considered as part of the security criteria (or any other criteria, although I'd say that it fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give it a thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of confidentiality (!= privacy), integrity, availability and so on) against any kind of considered attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a proposal may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For instance, private "enough" for conventional value transactions, but not private enough for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Todd Benzies via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote: Hyperledger Project Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT) via GoToMeeting
TSC Members Emmanuel Viale | Accenture | Present | Kireeti Reddy | CME Group | N/A | Shaul Kfir | DAH | N/A | Stefan Teis | Deutsche Boerse Group | Present | Pardha Vishnumolakala | DTCC | N/A | Kei Taniuchi | Fujitsu | N/A | TBD | Hitachi | N/A | Chris Ferris | IBM | Present | Mic Bowman | Intel | Present | David Voell | J.P. Morgan | Present | Richard G. Brown | R3 | Present |
More information on the TSC Members can be found at https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
TSC Chair Elections
Note: if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified tbenzies@... of your TSC representative, please do so ASAP. Process for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members) Begin nomination period: Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th Send slate of respective nominees to TSC Members: Thursday, Feb 18th Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting (http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/) Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
The TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list) Startup Period: During the first six (6) months after project launch, the TSC voting members shall consist of one (1) appointed representative from each Premier Member and each Top Level Project Maintainer, provided that no company (including related companies or affiliates under common control) shall have more than three (3) votes on the TSC. Steady State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a nomination and election period for electing Contributors or Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting members shall consist of eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen by the Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any Contributor who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase during the prior twelve (12) months. The TSC shall approve the process and timing for nominations and elections held on an annual basis.
Tools/Services
Meeting Cadence
Code
Template for Proposal Evaluation
Proposals for Common Starting Points
Previous discussion Networking BFT Storage Cryptographic libraries Member services
Consensus: start lower down the stack where people are much closer in agreement, and then slowly work up the stack. Needed: create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting Discussion on basic use cases to address High-level thoughts on how proposed contributions could be converged Walk-through of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan)
Previous Discussions from Formation Meetings
Evaluation Criteria Security Interoperability Scalability Extensibility Deployment Environment Ecosystem Change Management Resilience
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[Hyperledger Project TSC] Slack access
Thane Thomson <connect@...>
Hi everybody!
Thanks so much for the meeting minutes. Is the Slack team only available for TSC purposes, or are technical discussions welcome too? If so, how does a technical contributor (such as I’d like to be) gain access?
Thane
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Stefan Buhrmester <buhrmi@...>
I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger system. In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep information private, he is not supposed to put the information into the system the first place.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jesus Diaz Vico via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote: Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not attend the complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being considered as part of the security criteria (or any other criteria, although I'd say that it fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give it a thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of confidentiality (!= privacy), integrity, availability and so on) against any kind of considered attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a proposal may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For instance, private "enough" for conventional value transactions, but not private enough for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
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Francisco J. Honrubia Moreno <fjhonrubia@...>
I think privacy is a key point to be included if we are thinking
in a "business ready" system, sometimes by law or by others actors I
think privacy mandatory to be considered in this project.
Regards,
Fran.
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I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger
system. In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So
there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep information private,
he is not supposed to put the information into the system the first place.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jesus Diaz Vico via
hyperledger-tsc < hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not attend the
complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being considered as
part of the security criteria (or any other criteria, although I'd say that it
fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give it a
thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of confidentiality (!=
privacy), integrity, availability and so on) against any kind of considered
attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a proposal
may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For instance, private
"enough" for conventional value transactions, but not private enough
for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
Hyperledger Project
Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting
February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT)
via GoToMeeting
TSC Members
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Emmanuel Viale
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Accenture
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Present
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Kireeti Reddy
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CME Group
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N/A
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Shaul Kfir
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DAH
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N/A
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Stefan Teis
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Deutsche Boerse
Group
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Present
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Pardha
Vishnumolakala
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DTCC
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N/A
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Kei Taniuchi
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Fujitsu
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N/A
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TBD
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Hitachi
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N/A
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Chris Ferris
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IBM
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Present
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Mic Bowman
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Intel
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Present
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David Voell
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J.P. Morgan
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Present
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Richard G. Brown
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R3
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Present
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More information on the TSC Members can be
found at https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
TSC Chair Elections
·
Note:
if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified tbenzies@...
of your TSC representative, please do so ASAP.
·
Process
for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members)
o Begin nomination
period:
Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
o End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on
Wednesday, Feb 17th
o Send slate of
respective nominees to TSC Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
o Send TSC members the
ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
o Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at
9pm Pacific Time
o Election winners
announced:
Wednesday, Feb 24th
·
The
TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list)
· Startup
Period: During the first six (6) months after project launch, the TSC voting
members shall consist of one (1) appointed representative from each Premier
Member and each Top Level Project Maintainer, provided that no company
(including related companies or affiliates under common control) shall have
more than three (3) votes on the TSC.
· Steady
State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a nomination and election
period for electing Contributors or Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting
members shall consist of eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen
by the Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any Contributor
who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase during the prior twelve
(12) months. The TSC shall approve the process and timing for nominations and
elections held on an annual basis.
Tools/Services
· IRC:
#hyperledger on freenode.net
(has Meetbot)
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Public
lists: lists.hyperledger.org
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Slack:
hyperledgerproject.slack.com
(it was noted that it is possible to bridge IRC w/ Slack)
· Wiki
would be useful -- Linux Foundation to set up
Meeting Cadence
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Consensus:
[weekly] Thursdays, 7:00am - 8:30am PT
o Evaluate after 1 month
if any changes to cadence or timing are necessary
Code
·
Discussion
on where and how to land code -- getting proposed code into public review.
·
Should
code under review remain on www.github.com/staging-blockchain or be moved to the formal
org www.github.com/hyperledger?
o Consensus: use www.github.com/hyperledger,
companies with proposed code can point to their repos from the readme, and note
whether those linked repos are either “snapshot” or “ongoing development”
Template for Proposal Evaluation
·
Stefan
Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan have volunteered to help edit an initial
template for TSC review
Proposals for Common Starting Points
·
Previous
discussion
o Networking
o BFT
o Storage
o Cryptographic
libraries
o Member services
·
Consensus:
start lower down the stack where people are much closer in agreement, and
then slowly work up the stack.
·
Needed:
create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting
·
Discussion
on basic use cases to address
·
High-level
thoughts on how proposed contributions could be converged
·
Walk-through
of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan)
Previous Discussions from
Formation Meetings
·
Evaluation Criteria
o Security
o Interoperability
o Scalability
o Extensibility
o Deployment
Environment
o Ecosystem
o Change
Management
o Resilience
·
Functional Requirements
o Contract
Execution Environment
o Transaction
o Block of
Transactions
o Network
o Consensus/Validation
o Authentication
& Entitlements
o Reference
Data
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Michael Dolan <mdolan@...>
wrote:
Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you
to everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting everything
lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at
10am Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies for last week’s
disruption with the 25 person limit. We have fixed that issue and now have a
100 person capacity. I’m also copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss
mailing lists. In the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC
meetings. However, I didn’t want to miss anyone this first week, so I’ve copied
both lists. If you have not signed up for any mailing lists, you will want to
do so here: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
I’ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have
other thoughts / comments, please let me know.
- Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins).
Also, if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC’d) of
your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will distribute a
list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have everyone identified.
- Discussion of tools/services that would be
helpful to the community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on
freenode with Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see
anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger
shared wiki or setup wiki.hyperledger.org?
- Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time
slot for the TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence
and/or time or day?
- Discuss where/how to land code. Common question
we’re getting is “where is the code?” Need to discuss how to get proposed
code into public review.
- Discuss process for getting to a code starting
point. Proposal template for evaluation?
- Discuss proposals for the common starting
points
- Networking
- BFT
- Storage
- Cryptographic libraries
- Member services
1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process
- Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th,
nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
- End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time
on Wednesday, Feb 17th
- Send slate of respective nominees
to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
- Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
- Voting period ends: Tuesday,
Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
- Election winners announced: Wednesday,
Feb 24th
You can also dial in using your phone.
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Thane Thomson <connect@...>
Perhaps Jesus means, will the ledger system include any information that could potentially be used to identify a person? (e.g. an e-mail address or social security number or company registration number). This is different to using some kind of UUID (for example) to represent the transacting entity, which makes it very difficult/expensive to trace a real-world person.
The UUIDs are and should, of course, be openly and publicly visible, but personal/company information should not. Otherwise this opens companies and individuals up to all sorts of attacks. If there’s no privacy, it’s akin to opening up your personal/business bank account (or transaction log/etc.) for the world to see. Nobody wants that for themselves.
Privacy should be one of the top priorities.
I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger system. In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep information private, he is not supposed to put the information into the system the first place.
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Ghassan Karame <ghassan.karami@...>
Indeed, the fact that the ledger is open should not prevent the integration of privacy-preservation mechanisms. In most use cases, the lack of privacy would constitute a show-stopper to adoption. Ghassan
Please excuse the brevity. Sent from my phone.
On Feb 12, 2016, at 09:28, Francisco J. Honrubia Moreno via hyperledger-tsc < hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
I think privacy is a key point to be included if we are thinking
in a "business ready" system, sometimes by law or by others actors I
think privacy mandatory to be considered in this project.
Regards,
Fran.
I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger
system. In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So
there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep information private,
he is not supposed to put the information into the system the first place.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jesus Diaz Vico via
hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote:
Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not attend the
complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being considered as
part of the security criteria (or any other criteria, although I'd say that it
fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give it a
thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of confidentiality (!=
privacy), integrity, availability and so on) against any kind of considered
attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a proposal
may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For instance, private
"enough" for conventional value transactions, but not private enough
for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
Hyperledger Project
Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting
February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT)
via GoToMeeting
TSC Members
|
Emmanuel Viale
|
Accenture
|
Present
|
|
Kireeti Reddy
|
CME Group
|
N/A
|
|
Shaul Kfir
|
DAH
|
N/A
|
|
Stefan Teis
|
Deutsche Boerse
Group
|
Present
|
|
Pardha
Vishnumolakala
|
DTCC
|
N/A
|
|
Kei Taniuchi
|
Fujitsu
|
N/A
|
|
TBD
|
Hitachi
|
N/A
|
|
Chris Ferris
|
IBM
|
Present
|
|
Mic Bowman
|
Intel
|
Present
|
|
David Voell
|
J.P. Morgan
|
Present
|
|
Richard G. Brown
|
R3
|
Present
|
More information on the TSC Members can be
found at https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
TSC Chair Elections
·
Note:
if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified tbenzies@...
of your TSC representative, please do so ASAP.
·
Process
for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members)
o Begin nomination
period:
Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
o End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on
Wednesday, Feb 17th
o Send slate of
respective nominees to TSC Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
o Send TSC members the
ballot link to electronic voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
o Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at
9pm Pacific Time
o Election winners
announced:
Wednesday, Feb 24th
·
The
TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list)
· Startup
Period: During the first six (6) months after project launch, the TSC voting
members shall consist of one (1) appointed representative from each Premier
Member and each Top Level Project Maintainer, provided that no company
(including related companies or affiliates under common control) shall have
more than three (3) votes on the TSC.
· Steady
State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a nomination and election
period for electing Contributors or Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting
members shall consist of eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen
by the Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any Contributor
who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase during the prior twelve
(12) months. The TSC shall approve the process and timing for nominations and
elections held on an annual basis.
Tools/Services
· IRC:
#hyperledger on freenode.net
(has Meetbot)
·
Public
lists: lists.hyperledger.org
·
Slack:
hyperledgerproject.slack.com
(it was noted that it is possible to bridge IRC w/ Slack)
· Wiki
would be useful -- Linux Foundation to set up
Meeting Cadence
·
Consensus:
[weekly] Thursdays, 7:00am - 8:30am PT
o Evaluate after 1 month
if any changes to cadence or timing are necessary
Code
·
Discussion
on where and how to land code -- getting proposed code into public review.
·
Should
code under review remain on www.github.com/staging-blockchain or be moved to the formal
org www.github.com/hyperledger?
o Consensus: use www.github.com/hyperledger,
companies with proposed code can point to their repos from the readme, and note
whether those linked repos are either “snapshot” or “ongoing development”
Template for Proposal Evaluation
·
Stefan
Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan have volunteered to help edit an initial
template for TSC review
Proposals for Common Starting Points
·
Previous
discussion
o Networking
o BFT
o Storage
o Cryptographic
libraries
o Member services
·
Consensus:
start lower down the stack where people are much closer in agreement, and
then slowly work up the stack.
·
Needed:
create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting
·
Discussion
on basic use cases to address
·
High-level
thoughts on how proposed contributions could be converged
·
Walk-through
of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan)
Previous Discussions from
Formation Meetings
·
Evaluation Criteria
o Security
o Interoperability
o Scalability
o Extensibility
o Deployment
Environment
o Ecosystem
o Change
Management
o Resilience
·
Functional Requirements
o Contract
Execution Environment
o Transaction
o Block of
Transactions
o Network
o Consensus/Validation
o Authentication
& Entitlements
o Reference
Data
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Michael Dolan <mdolan@...>
wrote:
Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you
to everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting everything
lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at
10am Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies for last week’s
disruption with the 25 person limit. We have fixed that issue and now have a
100 person capacity. I’m also copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss
mailing lists. In the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC
meetings. However, I didn’t want to miss anyone this first week, so I’ve copied
both lists. If you have not signed up for any mailing lists, you will want to
do so here: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
I’ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have
other thoughts / comments, please let me know.
- Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins).
Also, if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC’d) of
your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will distribute a
list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have everyone identified.
- Discussion of tools/services that would be
helpful to the community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on
freenode with Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see
anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger
shared wiki or setup wiki.hyperledger.org?
- Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time
slot for the TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence
and/or time or day?
- Discuss where/how to land code. Common question
we’re getting is “where is the code?” Need to discuss how to get proposed
code into public review.
- Discuss process for getting to a code starting
point. Proposal template for evaluation?
- Discuss proposals for the common starting
points
- Networking
- BFT
- Storage
- Cryptographic libraries
- Member services
1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process
- Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th,
nominations includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
- End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time
on Wednesday, Feb 17th
- Send slate of respective nominees
to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
- Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/)
- Voting period ends: Tuesday,
Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
- Election winners announced: Wednesday,
Feb 24th
You can also dial in using your phone.
--
_______________________________________________
hyperledger-tsc mailing list
hyperledger-tsc@...
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-tsc
--
_______________________________________________
hyperledger-tsc mailing list
hyperledger-tsc@...
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-tsc
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Stefan Buhrmester <buhrmi@...>
As I said, if you don't want the world to see your personal/business account details, simply don't put them in the ledger. That's the privacy-preservation mechanism. The ledger won't know anything about your personal details unless you feed them to it. A ledger in the historical sense is a book. An empty book has no information until somebody writes information to it. The author should not be concerned about who's going to read the book. If the author has something to hide, he should not write it into the book.
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Jesus Diaz Vico <jesus.diaz.vico@...>
It may not be necessary to put personal/business details into the blockchain to threaten privacy. See, for instance, the paper "Evaluating User Privacy in Bitcoin" ( https://eprint.iacr.org/2012/596.pdf). But again, the level of privacy that a ledger achieves will depend on the specific use cases that it has been built for, so we just cannot say now whether it would or would not be private. And that is precisely my point. Once there are specific proposals and use cases, whether or not privacy is achieved should be taken into account.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Stefan Buhrmester <buhrmi@...> wrote: As I said, if you don't want the world to see your personal/business account details, simply don't put them in the ledger. That's the privacy-preservation mechanism. The ledger won't know anything about your personal details unless you feed them to it. A ledger in the historical sense is a book. An empty book has no information until somebody writes information to it. The author should not be concerned about who's going to read the book. If the author has something to hide, he should not write it into the book.
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Fabian Schuh <fabian@...>
I think privacy is an integral part of blockchains.
If you consider integrating a Bond Market into a blockchain (which you technically could do), then Privacy evolves into a requirement. Otherwise you could
profit from force liquidate other positions.
It's like playing poker on a blockchain (which you could also technically do) .. but if you know your enemies hands .. well .. you shouldn't "play".
In short, Privacy (by what every technological means) is VERY important for any future blockchain!
Cheers
-- Fabian
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 02/12/2016 09:43 AM, Ghassan Karame via hyperledger-tsc wrote: Indeed, the fact that the ledger is open should not prevent the integration of privacy-preservation mechanisms. In most use cases, the lack of privacy would constitute a show-stopper to adoption.
Ghassan
Please excuse the brevity. Sent from my phone.
On Feb 12, 2016, at 09:28, Francisco J. Honrubia Moreno via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@... <mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
I think privacy is a key point to be included if we are thinking in a "business ready" system, sometimes by law or by others actors I think privacy mandatory to be considered in this project.
Regards,
Fran.
*De:*hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... <mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...> [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] *En nombre de *Stefan Buhrmester via hyperledger-tsc
*Enviado el:* viernes, 12 de febrero de 2016 9:23
*Para:* Jesus Diaz Vico
*CC:* tsc@... <mailto:tsc@...>
*Asunto:* Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger system. In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep information private, he is not supposed to put the information into the system the first place.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jesus Diaz Vico via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@... <mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not attend the complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being considered as part of the security criteria (or any other criteria, although I'd say that it fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give it a thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of confidentiality (!= privacy), integrity, availability and so on) against any kind of considered attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a proposal may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For instance, private "enough" for conventional value transactions, but not private enough for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Todd Benzies via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@... <mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
*Hyperledger Project*
Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting
February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT)
via GoToMeeting
*TSC Members*
Emmanuel Viale
Accenture
Present
Kireeti Reddy
CME Group
N/A
Shaul Kfir
DAH
N/A
Stefan Teis
Deutsche Boerse Group
Present
Pardha Vishnumolakala
DTCC
N/A
Kei Taniuchi
Fujitsu
N/A
TBD
Hitachi
N/A
Chris Ferris
IBM
Present
Mic Bowman
Intel
Present
David Voell
J.P. Morgan
Present
Richard G. Brown
R3
Present
More information on the TSC Members can be found at
https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
*TSC Chair Elections*
·Note: if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified
tbenzies@...
<mailto:tbenzies@...> of your TSC representative,
please do so ASAP.
·Process for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members)
o*Begin nomination period:*Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes
a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
o*End nomination period:*9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
o*Send slate of respective nominees to TSC Members:*Thursday, Feb
18th
o*Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting:*Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ <http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/>)
o*Voting period ends:*Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
o*Election winners announced:*Wednesday, Feb 24th
·The TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list)
·Startup Period: During the first six (6) months after project
launch, the TSC voting members shall consist of one (1) appointed
representative from each Premier Member and each Top Level
Project Maintainer, provided that no company (including related
companies or affiliates under common control) shall have more
than three (3) votes on the TSC.
·Steady State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a
nomination and election period for electing Contributors or
Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting members shall consist of
eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen by the
Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any
Contributor who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase
during the prior twelve (12) months. The TSC shall approve the
process and timing for nominations and elections held on an
annual basis.
*Tools/Services*
·IRC: #hyperledger on freenode.net <http://freenode.net> (has
Meetbot)
·Public lists: lists.hyperledger.org <http://lists.hyperledger.org>
·Slack: hyperledgerproject.slack.com
<http://hyperledgerproject.slack.com> (it was noted that it is
possible to bridge IRC w/ Slack)
·Wiki would be useful -- Linux Foundation to set up
*Meeting Cadence*
·Consensus: [weekly] Thursdays, 7:00am - 8:30am PT
oEvaluate after 1 month if any changes to cadence or timing are
necessary
*Code*
·Discussion on where and how to land code -- getting proposed
code into public review.
·Should code under review remain on
www.github.com/staging-blockchain
<http://www.github.com/staging-blockchain> or be moved to the
formal org www.github.com/hyperledger
<http://www.github.com/hyperledger>?
oConsensus: use www.github.com/hyperledger
<http://www.github.com/hyperledger>, companies with proposed code
can point to their repos from the readme, and note whether those
linked repos are either “snapshot” or “ongoing development”
*Template for Proposal Evaluation*
·Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan have volunteered to help
edit an initial template for TSC review
*Proposals for Common Starting Points*
·Previous discussion
oNetworking
oBFT
oStorage
oCryptographic libraries
oMember services
·Consensus: start lower down the stack where people are much
closer in agreement, and then slowly work up the stack.
·Needed: create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
*Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting*
·Discussion on basic use cases to address
·High-level thoughts on how proposed contributions could be converged
·Walk-through of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and
Vipin Bharathan)
*Previous Discussions from Formation Meetings*
·Evaluation Criteria
oSecurity
oInteroperability
oScalability
oExtensibility
oDeployment Environment
oEcosystem
oChange Management
oResilience
·Functional Requirements
oContract Execution Environment
oTransaction
oBlock of Transactions
oNetwork
oConsensus/Validation
oAuthentication & Entitlements
oReference Data
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Michael Dolan
<mdolan@... <mailto:mdolan@...>>
wrote:
Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you to
everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting
everything lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at 10am
Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies
for last week’s disruption with the 25 person limit. We have
fixed that issue and now have a 100 person capacity. I’m also
copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss mailing lists. In
the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC
meetings. However, I didn’t want to miss anyone this first week,
so I’ve copied both lists. If you have not signed up for any
mailing lists, you will want to do so here:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
— Mike
*Proposed Agenda*
I’ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have other
thoughts / comments, please let me know.
1. Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins). Also, if you are
a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC’d) of
your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will
distribute a list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have
everyone identified.
2. Discussion of tools/services that would be helpful to the
community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on freenode with
Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see
anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger shared wiki or
setup wiki.hyperledger.org <http://wiki.hyperledger.org>?
3. Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time slot for the
TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence
and/or time or day?
4. Discuss where/how to land code. Common question we’re getting
is “where is the code?” Need to discuss how to get proposed
code into public review.
5. Discuss process for getting to a code starting point.
Proposal template for evaluation?
6. Discuss proposals for the common starting points
* Networking
* BFT
* Storage
* Cryptographic libraries
* Member services
*1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process*
* Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th, nominations
includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
* End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
* Send slate of respective nominees
to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
* Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ <http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/>)
* Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
* Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
*GoToMeeting Instructions*
URL: https://www.gotomeeting.com/join/613310429
You can also dial in using your phone.
United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070
<tel:1%20877%20309%202070>
United States: +1 (312) 757-3119
<tel:%2B1%20%28312%29%20757-3119>
Access Code: 613-310-429
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Senior Program Manager
The Linux Foundation
+1 (415) 412-0310 <tel:%2B1%20%28415%29%20412-0310> (m)
tbenzies@... <mailto:tbenzies@...>
Skype: tbenzies
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hyperledger-tsc@... <mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-tsc
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Slack access
Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@...>
Slack is open to everyone, but because Slack has a more enterprise login approach, we have to add the domains.
Todd will you please add any domains of members not already white-listed?
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Sent by: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...
To: hyperledger-tsc@...
Cc:
Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Slack access
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 3:53 AM
Hi everybody!
Thanks so much for the meeting minutes. Is the Slack team only available for TSC purposes, or are technical discussions welcome too? If so, how does a technical contributor (such as I’d like to be) gain access?
Thane
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Is the goal to support anonymity (from an identity perspective) or is the goal to mask the actual contents/value of your transactions? IMO, the former is a reasonable requirement. However, the latter seems contradictory to the original purpose of the blockchain.
--
Duc M. Trinh @ Wells Fargo
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-----Original Message----- From: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@... [mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Fabian Schuh via hyperledger-tsc Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 5:11 AM To: hyperledger-tsc@... Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16 I think privacy is an integral part of blockchains. If you consider integrating a Bond Market into a blockchain (which you technically could do), then Privacy evolves into a requirement. Otherwise you could profit from force liquidate other positions. It's like playing poker on a blockchain (which you could also technically do) .. but if you know your enemies hands .. well .. you shouldn't "play". In short, Privacy (by what every technological means) is VERY important for any future blockchain! Cheers -- Fabian On 02/12/2016 09:43 AM, Ghassan Karame via hyperledger-tsc wrote: Indeed, the fact that the ledger is open should not prevent the
integration of privacy-preservation mechanisms. In most use cases, the
lack of privacy would constitute a show-stopper to adoption.
Ghassan
Please excuse the brevity. Sent from my phone.
On Feb 12, 2016, at 09:28, Francisco J. Honrubia Moreno via
hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...
<mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
I think privacy is a key point to be included if we are thinking in a
"business ready" system, sometimes by law or by others actors I think
privacy mandatory to be considered in this project.
Regards,
Fran.
*De:*hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...
<mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...>
[mailto:hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...] *En nombre de
*Stefan Buhrmester via hyperledger-tsc *Enviado el:* viernes, 12 de
febrero de 2016 9:23
*Para:* Jesus Diaz Vico
*CC:* tsc@... <mailto:tsc@...>
*Asunto:* Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
I don't think we have to consider privacy in an open ledger system.
In an open ledger system all information is open. By definition. So
there is no private information. If somebody wants to keep
information private, he is not supposed to put the information into
the system the first place.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jesus Diaz Vico via hyperledger-tsc
<hyperledger-tsc@...
<mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
Hi all.
Thanks for the email, it is very useful for all of us who could not
attend the complete meeting (or attend at all).
One doubt/comment about the evaluation criteria. Is privacy being
considered as part of the security criteria (or any other criteria,
although I'd say that it fits better in security, if any) or not at all?
If not being considered either explicitly nor implicitly, I'll give
it a thought. A system may be really secure (in terms of
confidentiality (!= privacy), integrity, availability and so on)
against any kind of considered attacker, but still lack privacy.
In the concrete context of blockchain, as in most other contexts, a
proposal may be privacy-respectful depending on the use case For
instance, private "enough" for conventional value transactions, but
not private enough for managing information storage.
Best,
Jesus
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Todd Benzies via hyperledger-tsc
<hyperledger-tsc@...
<mailto:hyperledger-tsc@...>> wrote:
*Hyperledger Project*
Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting
February 11, 2016 (7:00am - 8:30am PT)
via GoToMeeting
*TSC Members*
Emmanuel Viale
Accenture
Present
Kireeti Reddy
CME Group
N/A
Shaul Kfir
DAH
N/A
Stefan Teis
Deutsche Boerse Group
Present
Pardha Vishnumolakala
DTCC
N/A
Kei Taniuchi
Fujitsu
N/A
TBD
Hitachi
N/A
Chris Ferris
IBM
Present
Mic Bowman
Intel
Present
David Voell
J.P. Morgan
Present
Richard G. Brown
R3
Present
More information on the TSC Members can be found at
https://www.hyperledger.org/about/tsc
*TSC Chair Elections*
·Note: if you are a Premier member and have not yet notified
tbenzies@...
<mailto:tbenzies@...> of your TSC representative,
please do so ASAP.
·Process for electing a TSC Chair (from the 11 TSC members)
o*Begin nomination period:*Today, Feb 11th, nominations includes
a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
o*End nomination period:*9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
o*Send slate of respective nominees to TSC Members:*Thursday, Feb
18th
o*Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting:*Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ <http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/>)
o*Voting period ends:*Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
o*Election winners announced:*Wednesday, Feb 24th
·The TSC operates in the open (open calls, public list)
·Startup Period: During the first six (6) months after project
launch, the TSC voting members shall consist of one (1) appointed
representative from each Premier Member and each Top Level
Project Maintainer, provided that no company (including related
companies or affiliates under common control) shall have more
than three (3) votes on the TSC.
·Steady State: After the Startup Period, there shall be a
nomination and election period for electing Contributors or
Maintainers to the TSC. The TSC voting members shall consist of
eleven (11) elected Contributors or Maintainers chosen by the
Active Contributors. An Active Contributor is defined as any
Contributor who has had a contribution accepted into the codebase
during the prior twelve (12) months. The TSC shall approve the
process and timing for nominations and elections held on an
annual basis.
*Tools/Services*
·IRC: #hyperledger on freenode.net <http://freenode.net> (has
Meetbot)
·Public lists: lists.hyperledger.org
<http://lists.hyperledger.org>
·Slack: hyperledgerproject.slack.com
<http://hyperledgerproject.slack.com> (it was noted that it is
possible to bridge IRC w/ Slack)
·Wiki would be useful -- Linux Foundation to set up
*Meeting Cadence*
·Consensus: [weekly] Thursdays, 7:00am - 8:30am PT
oEvaluate after 1 month if any changes to cadence or timing are
necessary
*Code*
·Discussion on where and how to land code -- getting proposed
code into public review.
·Should code under review remain on
www.github.com/staging-blockchain
<http://www.github.com/staging-blockchain> or be moved to the
formal org www.github.com/hyperledger
<http://www.github.com/hyperledger>?
oConsensus: use www.github.com/hyperledger
<http://www.github.com/hyperledger>, companies with proposed code
can point to their repos from the readme, and note whether those
linked repos are either “snapshot” or “ongoing development”
*Template for Proposal Evaluation*
·Stefan Buhrmester and Vipin Bharathan have volunteered to help
edit an initial template for TSC review
*Proposals for Common Starting Points*
·Previous discussion
oNetworking
oBFT
oStorage
oCryptographic libraries
oMember services
·Consensus: start lower down the stack where people are much
closer in agreement, and then slowly work up the stack.
·Needed: create a github markdown doc for documenting use cases
*Agenda Draft for 2/18 TSC Meeting*
·Discussion on basic use cases to address
·High-level thoughts on how proposed contributions could be
converged
·Walk-through of project proposal template (Stefan Buhrmester and
Vipin Bharathan)
*Previous Discussions from Formation Meetings*
·Evaluation Criteria
oSecurity
oInteroperability
oScalability
oExtensibility
oDeployment Environment
oEcosystem
oChange Management
oResilience
·Functional Requirements
oContract Execution Environment
oTransaction
oBlock of Transactions
oNetwork
oConsensus/Validation
oAuthentication & Entitlements
oReference Data
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Michael Dolan
<mdolan@... <mailto:mdolan@...>>
wrote:
Welcome to the (now official) Hyperledger Community. Thank you to
everyone who helped with the launch of the project and getting
everything lined up for a very strong start.
We have a technical community call scheduled for Thursday at 10am
Eastern Time. The GoToMeeting details are below. Our apologies
for last week’s disruption with the 25 person limit. We have
fixed that issue and now have a 100 person capacity. I’m also
copying both the TSC and the technical-discuss mailing lists. In
the future, we will just use the TSC mailing list for TSC
meetings. However, I didn’t want to miss anyone this first week,
so I’ve copied both lists. If you have not signed up for any
mailing lists, you will want to do so here:
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo
I look forward to our discussion tomorrow.
— Mike
*Proposed Agenda*
I’ll propose the agenda below for tomorrow, if you have other
thoughts / comments, please let me know.
1. Process for electing a TSC Chair (10 mins). Also, if you are
a Premier member and have not yet notified Todd (CC’d) of
your TSC Chair representative, please do so ASAP. We will
distribute a list of the TSC reps to the TSC when we have
everyone identified.
2. Discussion of tools/services that would be helpful to the
community. We have setup IRC: #hyperledger on freenode with
Meetbot. We have the mailing lists. Does the TSC want to see
anything else? E.g. Slack? A wiki such as
https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/hyperledger shared wiki or
setup wiki.hyperledger.org <http://wiki.hyperledger.org>?
3. Future meeting day/times? Do we use this time slot for the
TSC going forward or does the TSC prefer a different cadence
and/or time or day?
4. Discuss where/how to land code. Common question we’re getting
is “where is the code?” Need to discuss how to get proposed
code into public review.
5. Discuss process for getting to a code starting point.
Proposal template for evaluation?
6. Discuss proposals for the common starting points
* Networking
* BFT
* Storage
* Cryptographic libraries
* Member services
*1. Proposed TSC Chair Election Process*
* Begin nomination period: Thursday, Feb 11th, nominations
includes a short bio/pitch less than 1 page
* End nomination period: 9pm Pacific Time on Wednesday, Feb 17th
* Send slate of respective nominees
to Silver Members: Thursday, Feb 18th
* Send TSC members the ballot link to electronic
voting: Thursday, Feb 18th using Condorcet voting
(http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ <http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/>)
* Voting period ends: Tuesday, Feb 23rd at 9pm Pacific Time
* Election winners announced: Wednesday, Feb 24th
*GoToMeeting Instructions*
URL: https://www.gotomeeting.com/join/613310429
You can also dial in using your phone.
United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070
<tel:1%20877%20309%202070>
United States: +1 (312) 757-3119
<tel:%2B1%20%28312%29%20757-3119>
Access Code: 613-310-429
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[Hyperledger Project TSC] Suggestion to make this list moderated
I would suggest that this list (hyperledger-tsc) be turned into a moderated list. Otherwise, all kinds of technical discussions are going to end up posted to this list (or cross posted to this list) when they should be posted to only to hyperledger-technical-discuss. Leaving this list unmoderated will cause confusion and undermine the reason two lists were set up in the first place...
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Fabian Schuh <fabian@...>
I agree that we need to distinguish
a) identity privacy from
b) transaction content privacy
and it depends on the purpose of the blockchain and the kind of transactions that you want to use on the blockchain.
For instance, if you just want to transfer a token (such as bitcoin), you don't need to actually hide the amount of tokens transfered (even though that would be very well possible, such that only sender and receiver can figure out the actual amount).
But, as described in the other mail, if you want to put a decentralized exchange or a bond market on a blockchain, you NEED to hide prices/amounts to not be the victim of
people that misuse the information to cheat your 'orders' .. such as short orders or loans in a bond market.
Another use case wold be health insurance. You can put your health data in a public blockchain, but you want that only your doctors are able to decrypt it and not everyone else.
All of what I said above is technologically feasible today.
Cheers
-- Fabian
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 02/12/2016 03:59 PM, Duc.M.Trinh@... wrote: Is the goal to support anonymity (from an identity perspective) or is the goal to mask the actual contents/value of your transactions? IMO, the former is a reasonable requirement. However, the latter seems contradictory to the original purpose of the blockchain.
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Binh Q Nguyen <binhn@...>
+1
In OBC, we differentiate between privacy (your a) from confidentiality (your b) and provide both as options, depending on the requirements of the blockchain deployment.
- Binh
 Fabian Schuh via hyperledger-tsc ---02/12/2016 10:56:59 AM---I agree that we need to distinguish a) identity privacy from
From: Fabian Schuh via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
To: Duc.M.Trinh@...
Cc: hyperledger-tsc@...
Date: 02/12/2016 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Sent by: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...
I agree that we need to distinguish
a) identity privacy from
b) transaction content privacy
and it depends on the purpose of the blockchain and the kind of
transactions that you want to use on the blockchain.
For instance, if you just want to transfer a token (such as bitcoin),
you don't need to actually hide the amount of tokens transfered (even
though that would be very well possible, such that only sender and
receiver can figure out the actual amount).
But, as described in the other mail, if you want to put a decentralized
exchange or a bond market on a blockchain, you NEED to hide
prices/amounts to not be the victim of
people that misuse the information to cheat your 'orders' .. such as
short orders or loans in a bond market.
Another use case wold be health insurance. You can put your health data
in a public blockchain, but you want that only your doctors are able to
decrypt it and not everyone else.
All of what I said above is technologically feasible today.
Cheers
-- Fabian
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Suggestion to make this list moderated
Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@...>
+1, great idea
Todd, wonder if you could set that up?
----- Original message -----
From: Allen via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Sent by: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...
To: hyperledger-tsc@...
Cc:
Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Suggestion to make this list moderated
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 10:54 AM
I would suggest that this list (hyperledger-tsc) be turned into a moderated list. Otherwise, all kinds of technical discussions are going to end up posted to this list (or cross posted to this list) when they should be posted to only to hyperledger-technical-discuss. Leaving this list unmoderated will cause confusion and undermine the reason two lists were set up in the first place...
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Minutes 02.11.16
Hi Fabian,
In such a situation from system design end we would need a blockchains which has three mode of operation. - Public mode (No Privacy)
- Semi Private ( Limited parameters of the application kept private.)
- Fully private operation (All Parameters kept private )
Where by keeping the amount of privacy, at the disposal of the user. As all three modes have their own use cases and application. In case of fully private operation would be application for Health records.
-- Regards
Harsh
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Schuh via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote: I agree that we need to distinguish
a) identity privacy from
b) transaction content privacy
and it depends on the purpose of the blockchain and the kind of transactions that you want to use on the blockchain.
For instance, if you just want to transfer a token (such as bitcoin), you don't need to actually hide the amount of tokens transfered (even though that would be very well possible, such that only sender and receiver can figure out the actual amount).
But, as described in the other mail, if you want to put a decentralized exchange or a bond market on a blockchain, you NEED to hide prices/amounts to not be the victim of
people that misuse the information to cheat your 'orders' .. such as short orders or loans in a bond market.
Another use case wold be health insurance. You can put your health data in a public blockchain, but you want that only your doctors are able to decrypt it and not everyone else.
All of what I said above is technologically feasible today.
Cheers
-- Fabian
On 02/12/2016 03:59 PM, Duc.M.Trinh@... wrote:
Is the goal to support anonymity (from an identity perspective) or is the goal to mask the actual contents/value of your transactions? IMO, the former is a reasonable requirement. However, the latter seems contradictory to the original purpose of the blockchain.
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Re: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Suggestion to make this list moderated
+1
Would be good to be read only for anyone but posting restricted to TSC members.
sent from a phone, excuse typos
On Feb 12, 2016 11:30 AM, "Christopher B Ferris via hyperledger-tsc" < hyperledger-tsc@...> wrote: +1, great idea
Todd, wonder if you could set that up?
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From: Allen via hyperledger-tsc <hyperledger-tsc@...>
Sent by: hyperledger-tsc-bounces@...
To: hyperledger-tsc@...
Cc:
Subject: [Hyperledger Project TSC] Suggestion to make this list moderated
Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2016 10:54 AM
I would suggest that this list (hyperledger-tsc) be turned into a moderated list. Otherwise, all kinds of technical discussions are going to end up posted to this list (or cross posted to this list) when they should be posted to only to hyperledger-technical-discuss. Leaving this list unmoderated will cause confusion and undermine the reason two lists were set up in the first place...
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