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Re: TSC agenda for June 25, 2020

Jonathan Levi (HACERA)
 

Precisely! Thank you Ry.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ry Jones <rjones@...> wrote:
There is sawtooth-explorer as a model, as well.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 2:59 PM, Jonathan Levi (HACERA) jonathan@... wrote:

Also, the Fabric 2.0-alpha (release branch) was out in April 2019, beta in December 2019, etc.

v2.0.0-alpha - April 9, 2019  
v2.0.0-beta - December 12, 2019  
v2.0.0 - January 29, 2020
v2.0.1 - February 26, 2020  
...

So what I suggest - is to be realistic. 

As many of the heavy/rich players are working on proprietary versions... with very nice features and integrations to their clouds/offerings... and it's getting more and more to - expecting 4 contributors to meet the Active requirements on a "global scale" may be too much to ask.

Not because they (the contributors) are rejecting other contributors. Quite the opposite: because the interested parties in the framework, keep on enhancing their proprietary versions. And that's only for one of the frameworks.

p.s. I always/sometimes forget the most important word in a sentence here and there, which is "not". I meant to write:

> I know people had good intentions in 2016 and some later on explained to us that each top-level project will work together here... but really, it did [not] work. So I think that it would be better to kill this after so many years, and port into a Fabric project, under Fabric, side by side to Fabric, or. 

Jonathan

HACERA




On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 7:46 AM Jonathan Levi (HACERA) via lists.hyperledger.org <jonathan=hacera.com@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

Yes, I saw and we follow the 4 contributors. I highly respect the attempts/work.


I still maintain/think that if all the effort is around Fabric (2.0, 2.1 and the upcoming 2.2) then we should call this project a Hyperledger Fabric Explorer. Or, one of these generated names, I don't know, "HL Ranger/Jeep/Wrangler..." ;-)

I know people had good intentions in 2016 and some later on explained to us that each top-level project will work together here... but really, it did not work. So I think that it would be better to kill this after so many years, and port into a Fabric project, under Fabric, side by side to Fabric, or. 

It would be much better if we call it what it is, and hopefully (or maybe) some in the Fabric group will give the "Fabric Explorer" project a hand... than just leave it to slowly catch up.


Long-long time ago, we/it was suggested that this will be under Fabric. We wanted to encourage others to participate, but it remained a Fabric explorer (last supported versions are 1.4.0 - 1.4.8).

The way I read it: If a project is focused on one ledger, all the efforts, intentions, plans and resources are there, now for several years, and they contributors want to continue to focus on that one ledger - then it will also be easier on the contributors to work under a better-defined scope (and task), from a governance perspective.

Otherwise, it will be kept in the Backlog for quarters, because we want to encourage their effort, while it's far from being THE greenhouse level, all terrain, all 4x4 ledgers explorer.

Then, with the right scale, it will be possible and better (more fairly) judge/measure "Active"-ity.  



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 7:04 AM Brian Behlendorf <bbehlendorf@...> wrote:
The report shows them as active, backed up by the analytics:


I see in their status they're working towards Fabric 2.1 support.

I don't see evidence, from reviewing the chat or email, that they've rejected or discouraged contributions from others. If anything, I see them hungry for additional help. Do you read it differently?

Brian

On 6/25/20 6:56 AM, Jonathan Levi (HACERA) wrote:
Just took a look at the backlog.

Are people still thinking of not killing the Hyperledger Explorer project? Or are others planning to make it Active any time soon?


When was the last time this project did work for Fabric (with the various channels), Sawtooth, Iroha, Besu, ...

Or, do we have companies that are willing to donate their own explorer code, for each of the ledgers? After years of "patiently" waiting for it, we all simply developed our own ones, literally each of the cloud providers had to write their own, the consultants, the system integrators, the students...

It has been in the backlog now for many, many quarters.

My 2 cents,
Jonathan

HACERA


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:35 AM Middleton, Dan <dan.middleton@...> wrote:

I have reviewed and where appropriate commented the agenda items. Unfortunately I’ve had a conflict emerge this morning so I will not be able to attend live.

 

Regards,

 

Dan Middleton

Principal Engineer

Intel

 

 

From: <tsc@...> on behalf of Brian Behlendorf <bbehlendorf@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:59 PM
To: Arnaud Le Hors <lehors@...>, Hyperledger TSC <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [Hyperledger TSC] TSC agenda for June 25, 2020

 

Hi! Dave Huseby has two things he wants to cover on elections and "showing your support", which I felt it was worth getting in there. There are links to each on the agenda. Meanwhile, there are three reports to review (Burrow, Aries, and Explorer) and those three could use more TSC members confirming they've reviewed them by clicking the checkbox or bringing points up for discussion.

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

 

On 6/24/20 1:21 PM, Arnaud Le Hors wrote:

Hi all,
I was thinking of cancelling this week's call but Brian informing me that he has something he wants us to discuss and wants to have the call.
I've been waiting for what it is but he's been busy and I still don't know so... I leave it to Brian to update the agenda or make it a surprise on the call. :-)

The agenda is on the wiki: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/TSC/2020-06-25+TSC+Agenda

If there is anything else you'd like to discuss or announce please, add it to the agenda as well (or make it a surprise too. ;-)

Please, note that several quarterly reports were submitted and needs to be reviewed.
Thanks.
--
Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Blockchain & Web Open Technologies - IBM

 

-- 
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf


-- 
Brian Behlendorf
Executive Director, Hyperledger
bbehlendorf@...
Twitter: @brianbehlendorf



Ry Jones
Community Architect, Hyperledger

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