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Jérôme Pons <jerome.pons@...>
 

Dear all,

Thank you David & David for your feedbacks.

Please find below a paper I have written about "Blockchains and smart contracts in the culture and entertainment business" focusing on music, cinema and video industries :
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Here is a part of the conclusion :
" A blockchain helps solve familiar problems in recorded music, such as matching the ISRC and ISWC codes. For this purpose, three copyright collection organizations (ASCAP in the United States, PRS for Music in the United Kingdom and SACEM in France) formed a partnership with IBM in April 2017, a partnership based on Hyperledger Fabric. Out of this project might emerge smart contracts for automatically assigning a pair of ISRC/ISWC codes and simplifying the management of royalties."

Best regards,

Jérôme Pons

musicwontstop.com

dicodamo.org

Le ven. 25 sept. 2020 à 17:33, David Boswell <dboswell@...> a écrit :
Jerome,

This is really helpful -- thanks for providing these details about what has been happening in this space.

One thought -- would you and David be interested in writing a blog post about blockchain and music to share out this information and talk about where we could go from here and see if there are others in the community who may want to collaborate on a project that builds on what's happened so far?

If there are others who are also interested, and I think there would be, perhaps this could be a group that wants to work on a Hyperledger Labs project or work together on something else, like maybe a longer form document that explores these music related use cases?

Thanks,
David

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:43 PM Jerome Pons <contact@...> wrote:
Dear David & David,
 
Thank you for these inputs about Hyperledger Fabric implementation in the music industry.
 
First of all I would like to highlight the report Rethink music, published in July 2015, that made all the music tech people turn to blockchain technology (me included !). The report clearly explains why blockchain technology is a solution for rights management (copyright, neighboring rights).
 
Following this report, Imogen Heap (founder of Mycelia for Music), started in October 2015 an experimentation with Ujo Music (ConsenSys) for delivering a streaming / download of the track "Tiny Human" and managing rights, not on Hyperledger Fabric, but on Ethereum. This experimentation brought the proof of concept.
 
In 2017, copyright management organisations started experimenting blockchain technology for copyright management, on one side Ascap (US), PRS for Music (UK) and Sacem (France) based on Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 and on the other side Socan (Canada) based on Hyperledger Sawtooth (Dot Blockchain Music appeared as a consulting company in this project).
 
For the first side, the objective was to register some couple of identifiers (musical work identifier, recorded music identifier) on Hyperledger Fabric so that when a recorded music is streamed on a music streaming platform (e.g. Spotify), the copyright management organisation can easily lookup the musical work identifier, leading to rights holders. Last time I discussed with the team in charge of this project, 75 000 couples of identifiers were on the blockchain, a chaincode was generated for each couple, and the team was questioning scalability.
 
In November 2019, Clefpay startup presented an MVP where Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 was used for storing the royalty split between right holders. The lead developer shares some technical information on LinkedIn.

I've been scouting blockchain implementations in the music industry for 5 years and I do not see other projects where Hyperledger Fabric is used by streaming platforms.

From a design point of view, some implementations migrated from Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 to 2.0 or Hyperledger Besu, others from Ethereum to privatised Ethereum or Quorum or Hyperledger Besu.

I hope these thoughts helped.

Thank you in advance for your feedbacks.

Best regards,

Jérôme Pons

musicwontstop.com

dicodamo.org


David Boswell
 

Jerome,

This is really helpful -- thanks for providing these details about what has been happening in this space.

One thought -- would you and David be interested in writing a blog post about blockchain and music to share out this information and talk about where we could go from here and see if there are others in the community who may want to collaborate on a project that builds on what's happened so far?

If there are others who are also interested, and I think there would be, perhaps this could be a group that wants to work on a Hyperledger Labs project or work together on something else, like maybe a longer form document that explores these music related use cases?

Thanks,
David


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:43 PM Jerome Pons <contact@...> wrote:
Dear David & David,
 
Thank you for these inputs about Hyperledger Fabric implementation in the music industry.
 
First of all I would like to highlight the report Rethink music, published in July 2015, that made all the music tech people turn to blockchain technology (me included !). The report clearly explains why blockchain technology is a solution for rights management (copyright, neighboring rights).
 
Following this report, Imogen Heap (founder of Mycelia for Music), started in October 2015 an experimentation with Ujo Music (ConsenSys) for delivering a streaming / download of the track "Tiny Human" and managing rights, not on Hyperledger Fabric, but on Ethereum. This experimentation brought the proof of concept.
 
In 2017, copyright management organisations started experimenting blockchain technology for copyright management, on one side Ascap (US), PRS for Music (UK) and Sacem (France) based on Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 and on the other side Socan (Canada) based on Hyperledger Sawtooth (Dot Blockchain Music appeared as a consulting company in this project).
 
For the first side, the objective was to register some couple of identifiers (musical work identifier, recorded music identifier) on Hyperledger Fabric so that when a recorded music is streamed on a music streaming platform (e.g. Spotify), the copyright management organisation can easily lookup the musical work identifier, leading to rights holders. Last time I discussed with the team in charge of this project, 75 000 couples of identifiers were on the blockchain, a chaincode was generated for each couple, and the team was questioning scalability.
 
In November 2019, Clefpay startup presented an MVP where Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 was used for storing the royalty split between right holders. The lead developer shares some technical information on LinkedIn.

I've been scouting blockchain implementations in the music industry for 5 years and I do not see other projects where Hyperledger Fabric is used by streaming platforms.

From a design point of view, some implementations migrated from Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 to 2.0 or Hyperledger Besu, others from Ethereum to privatised Ethereum or Quorum or Hyperledger Besu.

I hope these thoughts helped.

Thank you in advance for your feedbacks.

Best regards,

Jérôme Pons

musicwontstop.com

dicodamo.org


Jerome Pons
 

Dear David & David,
 
Thank you for these inputs about Hyperledger Fabric implementation in the music industry.
 
First of all I would like to highlight the report Rethink music, published in July 2015, that made all the music tech people turn to blockchain technology (me included !). The report clearly explains why blockchain technology is a solution for rights management (copyright, neighboring rights).
 
Following this report, Imogen Heap (founder of Mycelia for Music), started in October 2015 an experimentation with Ujo Music (ConsenSys) for delivering a streaming / download of the track "Tiny Human" and managing rights, not on Hyperledger Fabric, but on Ethereum. This experimentation brought the proof of concept.
 
In 2017, copyright management organisations started experimenting blockchain technology for copyright management, on one side Ascap (US), PRS for Music (UK) and Sacem (France) based on Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 and on the other side Socan (Canada) based on Hyperledger Sawtooth (Dot Blockchain Music appeared as a consulting company in this project).
 
For the first side, the objective was to register some couple of identifiers (musical work identifier, recorded music identifier) on Hyperledger Fabric so that when a recorded music is streamed on a music streaming platform (e.g. Spotify), the copyright management organisation can easily lookup the musical work identifier, leading to rights holders. Last time I discussed with the team in charge of this project, 75 000 couples of identifiers were on the blockchain, a chaincode was generated for each couple, and the team was questioning scalability.
 
In November 2019, Clefpay startup presented an MVP where Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 was used for storing the royalty split between right holders. The lead developer shares some technical information on LinkedIn.

I've been scouting blockchain implementations in the music industry for 5 years and I do not see other projects where Hyperledger Fabric is used by streaming platforms.

From a design point of view, some implementations migrated from Hyperledger Fabric 1.4 to 2.0 or Hyperledger Besu, others from Ethereum to privatised Ethereum or Quorum or Hyperledger Besu.

I hope these thoughts helped.

Thank you in advance for your feedbacks.

Best regards,

Jérôme Pons

musicwontstop.com

dicodamo.org


David Boswell
 

David,

Thanks for posting your question and if others on this list have any pointers to interesting projects in this space that would be great to hear.

I asked around a bit about this and had a few links to share for media related blockchain use cases:

* MyCelia

* ipChain Digital Rights

* Open Music Initiative

* Pandora
They discussed a PoC they had worked on for tracking song rights at a Hyperledger SF meetup

Thanks,
David



David MacFadyen <dmacfady@...>
 

I have two simple, but frustrating, questions about HLF: (1) *Has anybody seen a streaming music or video project on Fabric? I have not--nor can I find one. Several years ago, persumably because of the Dot Blockchain Media initiative, the HLF promotional materials always mentioned the benefits of Fabric for the music industry. They still do, in fact. However... Dot Blockchain media vanished after some legal drama, it seems, and has now reemerged partially as https://verifi.media/. (2) *Has anybody seen an audio or video player that's compatible with Fabric and might help with a track-and-trace project, aiming eventually to establish micropayments for artists on a pay-per-play system?
Thanks!
David